Objectivist view of volition in Metaphysics & Epistemology Posted 10 Oct 2005 · Report post Therefore, if all rational and logic people will always come to the same conclusion based on the same facts, their conclusion is deterministic (in the context of the facts involved). The more accurately we identify the facts and the more consistently we apply logic, the more deterministic we become. If we had a perfect understanding of reality and could apply perfect logic every time we would be perfectly deterministic. First of all, as has been stated, human application of reason is not infallible, and mistakes do not necessarily render a person immoral (providing it was not willful neglect of his rational faculty). Secondly, again as has been stated, tastes differ and when the choice is between large tomatoes and cherry tomatoes reason isn't a necessary or applicable tool. The other day I got myself thinking about how it is that intellectuals of the left and the right stake a claim to reason. Well, I reasoned, the left can claim a degree of rationality - its decisions are a logical extension of its basic principles. Leftist philosophers assume human nature is deterministic. Now, when forming an opinion on a specific issue they will do it with regard to society - but if each member of society is deterministic - that is, the sum of the effect of everyone else thats influenced them/all their experience, then as everyone is connected through such a web to everyone else their 'society' is universal. It includes all humanity. So rational decisions are made with regard to the welfare of the entire human race. As this society seldom fares well - with its members fighting, suffering and exploiting each other - the general 'moral standpoint' of the left is disgust - its solutions pipedreams based on ill-founded assumptions. See, very few people see themselves as human in the universal sense - they define themselves though their nationalism, their religion, their culture, their ideas and in this neck of the woods themselves. Even the religious nut can act out the logical extension of his believe in a mystical entity, although these beliefs vary with the different sects and scriptures of the major faiths. However, those in the business of defining themselves place one value over another - for some its work, other its family - maybe its money, maybe its spreading a philosophy - the point is that beyond the common factor, a desire for survival, the values by which a freethinking individual defines them self are diverse, and the rational decisions that I make with respect to myself, may differ to those you make for yourself. Compare this to the deterministic universal society of the left, or the dogma of any religion and observe their reason demands fairly uniform conclusions.