David T. McKee

Sorry - it just gets me so torqued to hear this endless barrage of mental vomit.

You all did notice that spiffy web-site they advertised their bilge on? They don't seem to have any qualms about using the product of the mind in their attempt to destroy it. Perhaps a movement could be formed to utilize that "hour" to DOSA their sites and effectively "turn out their lights" - but I suppose that would be stooping to their level.

Hey, if you want to tell these nazi's what you plan on doing, you can send comments here: Earth Hour Crapsite

I pledge to burn used motor oil in my backyard and of course, cut a tree down with my chain saw.

This is the reason I mentioned (in other posts) that the only way a group of thinking, reasonable individuals could exist freely today is if they were to personally have and control a weapon of such massive destructive properties that even the insane, power hungry governments would be hesitant to attempt anything against them. What puts Man above brute beasts (including those that take on human shape) is the ability to think, that ability alone is the only resource against government gone amok. When faced with an attack in the woods by, say a grizzly bear, you survive by out thinking the bear - I submit that is the only way we will ever win against the present day beasts that are running our government. The problem is they have the tools and weapons that thinkers have given them, so our only recourse is to have better tools.

Thank you PhilO. My point is, that I, not they, will determine what actions I will or will not take, I will weigh their threats and their ability to act on them, and what action I will take. If I comply with their insidious demands it is because I value something even greater and am willing to pay even the price of the shame of a slave - but if I value my freedom above all else, then even the worse they can do to me will be worth it. That is the whole point - the ball is always in the court of the person who is willing to think.

Ultimately, I do.

This is the last straw. Anyone have a complete, up-to-date mailing list of the Congress (both houses) and any supporting/influential members, lobbyists, etc. so we can e-paper them with protests? Calling only goes so far. Also, I have heard that (at least in the past) that Washington considers an opinion expressed in a written, mailed envelope to represent the opinions of 10,000 persons who did not write. That could go a long way. This is perhaps the most insidious of Obama's, and the left's programs to date.

let me be clear too: With respect to laws such as "the GIVE Act" referenced in another thread here:Obama's brownshirt "volunteer" corps passes House, flood your congressmen with PROTESTS! I want to say for the record, so that any governmental thug who happens to read it is clear: "I will not comply, neither I or my children." -David T. McKee

True, however I think back to the pamphleteers of our Forefathers...

Awesome site PhilO! I have bookmarked it along with my other Java resources. For those of you that need to present complex data visually, may I recommend the Prefuse site: The Prefuse visualization toolkit

Well then what do you suggest? Yes, we see from the past that this situation is not good, okay it is what it is..., a rational being does not sit, sour, and soak in self pity about what "might have been", but instead creates a plan, and then works that plan. Okay, my ideas may not be so great, I have not heard anyone else put out anything better... I am simply advocating planning for the worst, while hoping and working for the best. I most certainly do not want to have to build an underground "Ember" city, I don't want to have to face a gang of thugs - but I may have to do (or attempt) those things. If we are faced with a mob of unthinking people then what do we do as thinking people? If we are faced with a government of elitists thugs, what do we do as rational people? I for one, will do something to the best of my ability - I may fail...but I will not quit.

I believe by "maintain a successful, independent life" what was meant was successful and independent "within the confines of a world gone mad". Obviously not ideal conditions, but I think with a group of like-minded individuals who have the intelligence to recognize that there are roving gangs of thugs, and "governmental" gangs of thugs, one could get by. Fire-power would be needed of course, and lets not forget that the government would also be gravely limited in its ability to enforce anything at this time as it too would be gravely damaged or even completely missing. Environmentalists will quickly become irrelevant when there is mass starvation and chaos in the streets.

You have not really programmed a computer until you have loaded the accumulator via the front panel switches...

Agreed - except in the case of so-called "public property". And you are correct with regard to a privately owned University. I should have been clear about that point, I was speaking with regard to public places.