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Man Harassed by TSA at St. Louis Airport

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TSA stands for Transportation and Safety Administration.

This is really not good. Apparently, Ron Paul supporters are considered to be potential terrorists! So this guy is harassed by the TSA. He refused to tell them why he had the cash he had with him. He had his cell phone recording the whole incident. I'm sure they'll make sure cell phones are off from now on.

Here is a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDv_fWMfnN0...player_embedded

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You mean you would have considered the possibility they weren't really airport authorities, but, rather, crooks? I hadn't thought of that, but I think this is much worse, since it's officially sanctioned action, it would appear.

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I wonder how widespread this is becoming and how fast. It seems to be a trend. I have certainly seen it in Maine with Maine Revenue Services and viro agents brazenly pushing people around. Most people see this from a distance being done to big businesses (as if that does not mean real people) and think that the socialism (in what they do not grasp as the form of fascism) will somehow not affect them, but the bullying is becoming very personal and very intensive.

In this video I see a mentality that is very familiar. Bureaucrats carried away with their own sense of power and "mission" go after someone based on their suspicions because they don't like their target's open independence that they cannot grasp, which 'incites" them to become personally demanding and intrusive on top of their subjective accusations, and then become incensed when the victim is not obsequious and dares to object, so they accuse him of not being "forthcoming" as a further excuse for more bullying and conclusive proof of guilt in their minds. These power seeking little tyrants have no concept of objective law or personal privacy and you see miserable little misfits suddenly acting like all powerful tyrants under the umbrella of government.

The kinds of "laws" and powers now assumed by government can only attract, embolden and bring out the worst in the worst kinds of slime. This is the kind of psychology fostered at all levels under statism. It's the same kind of psychology as the ultimate form of the sadists operating at Nazi concentration camps, whereas in a civilized society they would be nothing but corner louts, mostly in jail.

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The most chilling moment to me was when the man said something to the effect of "I don't understand what you mean" to which the TSA guy responded "...if you don't understand then we are about to make you understand." The only possible psychological effect that could have on someone is that the statement was a preface to some impending physical abuse/threats/torture.

I do think it is important to note that the TSA does have every right to ask questions when they encounter something unusual or suspicious given the extreme gravity of their job. The man they question though should have every right to refuse answering those questions without being bullied or thrown to the police without explanation.

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I wonder how widespread this is becoming and how fast. It seems to be a trend. I have certainly seen it in Maine with Maine Revenue Services and viro agents brazenly pushing people around. Most people see this from a distance being done to big businesses (as if that does not mean real people) and think that the socialism (in what they do not grasp as the form of fascism) will somehow not affect them, but the bullying is becoming very personal and very intensive.

In this video I see a mentality that is very familiar. Bureaucrats carried away with their own sense of power and "mission" go after someone based on their suspicions because they don't like their target's open independence that they cannot grasp, which 'incites" them to become personally demanding and intrusive on top of their subjective accusations, and then become incensed when the victim is not obsequious and dares to object, so they accuse him of not being "forthcoming" as a further excuse for more bullying and conclusive proof of guilt in their minds. These power seeking little tyrants have no concept of objective law or personal privacy and you see miserable little misfits suddenly acting like all powerful tyrants under the umbrella of government.

The kinds of "laws" and powers now assumed by government can only attract, embolden and bring out the worst in the worst kinds of slime. This is the kind of psychology fostered at all levels under statism. It's the same kind of psychology as the ultimate form of the sadists operating at Nazi concentration camps, whereas in a civilized society they would be nothing but corner louts, mostly in jail.

I've encountered this on a milder level when immigration officers will get aggressive, nosy, and plain rude in their questioning of you, only to (like a magic act) suddenly morph into ultra-benevolent people because they've suddenly decided I'm an innocent person judging by their list of rules and concrete items handed down to them by superiors. It's very alarming that they are willing to treat completely unsuspicious, good, normal people like this at the drop of a hat just because they are ordered to.

I remember when I was stopped and ordered to let them search my vehicle (you can be damn sure I got my cash out of there first), and they found some old, tiny fireworks that were buried down in a compartment (I had completely forgotten they were there).

Border Officer: "So why are you carrying fireworks into Canada? That's illegal."

Me: "... I had no idea it was illegal--

Border Officer: "Oh? So if you carried drugs into Canada it would be OK just because you didn't know it was illegal??"

Me: "that doesn't make sense..."

What's even more alarming is that of all the times they've ordered a search of my vehicle, the border officials never once looked inside of my guitar case or bags, so obviously they weren't even trying to do a thorough search, and they probably didn't care if they found anything or what they found; they were just vapid, bored people doing exactly as they were told without question.

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You mean you would have considered the possibility they weren't really airport authorities, but, rather, crooks? I hadn't thought of that, but I think this is much worse, since it's officially sanctioned action, it would appear.

No; I mean I would have considered the possibility that they were airport authorities who had no problem with stealing my money.

It happens all the time with police officers in Mexico. A group of my friends were walking around a border city at night and got stopped and searched by Mexican police. The police found a pocketknife on one of them, and basically said "start handing over money or we won't let you go back to America".

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I wonder how widespread this is becoming and how fast. It seems to be a trend. I have certainly seen it in Maine with Maine Revenue Services and viro agents brazenly pushing people around. Most people see this from a distance being done to big businesses (as if that does not mean real people) and think that the socialism (in what they do not grasp as the form of fascism) will somehow not affect them, but the bullying is becoming very personal and very intensive.

In this video I see a mentality that is very familiar. Bureaucrats carried away with their own sense of power and "mission" go after someone based on their suspicions because they don't like their target's open independence that they cannot grasp, which 'incites" them to become personally demanding and intrusive on top of their subjective accusations, and then become incensed when the victim is not obsequious and dares to object, so they accuse him of not being "forthcoming" as a further excuse for more bullying and conclusive proof of guilt in their minds. These power seeking little tyrants have no concept of objective law or personal privacy and you see miserable little misfits suddenly acting like all powerful tyrants under the umbrella of government.

The kinds of "laws" and powers now assumed by government can only attract, embolden and bring out the worst in the worst kinds of slime. This is the kind of psychology fostered at all levels under statism. It's the same kind of psychology as the ultimate form of the sadists operating at Nazi concentration camps, whereas in a civilized society they would be nothing but corner louts, mostly in jail.

The thing that comes first to my mind is Javert from Les Miserables, the self righteous police officer. I hated his character in the book and thought, well at least I don't live in a world like that! It seems that I'm increasingly living in a world like that. I wonder how long it will be until I need "papers" just to travel outside of my county.

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The thing that comes first to my mind is Javert from Les Miserables, the self righteous police officer. I hated his character in the book and thought, well at least I don't live in a world like that! It seems that I'm increasingly living in a world like that. I wonder how long it will be until I need "papers" just to travel outside of my county.

Not quite. It’s been a few years since I’ve read the book, but what I remember is that Javert did not become a policeman for the power but because of his unmatched respect for the rule of law. He did not abuse his position, did not harass those he knew to be innocent, and did not act against Jean Valjean without evidence. His error, which he was unable to correct and led to his suicide, was not power lust but his unquestioning loyalty to the enforcement of laws, above the purpose of justice they are meant to serve. Actually I found his character to be more sympathetic than the protagonist.

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The thing that comes first to my mind is Javert from Les Miserables, the self righteous police officer. I hated his character in the book and thought, well at least I don't live in a world like that! It seems that I'm increasingly living in a world like that. I wonder how long it will be until I need "papers" just to travel outside of my county.

Not quite. It’s been a few years since I’ve read the book, but what I remember is that Javert did not become a policeman for the power but because of his unmatched respect for the rule of law. He did not abuse his position, did not harass those he knew to be innocent, and did not act against Jean Valjean without evidence. His error, which he was unable to correct and led to his suicide, was not power lust but his unquestioning loyalty to the enforcement of laws, above the purpose of justice they are meant to serve. Actually I found his character to be more sympathetic than the protagonist.

Yes, that is what I remember of Javert. He was not a power luster.

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The thing that comes first to my mind is Javert from Les Miserables, the self righteous police officer. I hated his character in the book and thought, well at least I don't live in a world like that! It seems that I'm increasingly living in a world like that. I wonder how long it will be until I need "papers" just to travel outside of my county.

Not quite. It’s been a few years since I’ve read the book, but what I remember is that Javert did not become a policeman for the power but because of his unmatched respect for the rule of law. He did not abuse his position, did not harass those he knew to be innocent, and did not act against Jean Valjean without evidence. His error, which he was unable to correct and led to his suicide, was not power lust but his unquestioning loyalty to the enforcement of laws, above the purpose of justice they are meant to serve. Actually I found his character to be more sympathetic than the protagonist.

Well, I agree that Javert was not a power luster, but he tortured a man who wished to be left alone. Though, I guess I dislike more the laws he was enforcing than him.

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