Bill Bucko

TAX DAY TEA PARTY!

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I've been around Objectivism for almost 20 years, and I've never seen anything like these tea parties in terms of broad acceptance of Objectivism in the general population. Many had read something by Ayn Rand or at least heard of her. These people are prime candidates for spreading Objectivism. It's as if we've been waiting for years to find people who would listen to a word or two, and now, handed on a silver platter, are people who want to hear Galt's speech.

I've never been so optimistic about the future as I am now. As to those Objectivists who want to disparage the average Joe... I don't get it. The floodgates opened on April 15, and the tide is turning. Yay for us!

(Okay, my writing's terrible right now, but I blame the early hour and don't much care. My point is clear.)

I hope my comments on other threads were not taken as an attempt to "disparge the average Joe" as that was not my intention. But, to win a war requires more than a one day attempt and sign waving. Remember not to long ago (Septmerber, 2001) all the people that were driving around with US flags on their cars and flying flags from their porches, where did their commitment go? I agree that the Tax Day Tea Parties with people waving their signs is a good sign, but the opportunity can be lost just like after September, 2001 when the flag wavers quickly gave up their tenaciousness. The average Joe does not have to become an Objectivist, but they do have to be willing to enlighten themselves and that does not happen overnight nor without a tenacious effort. I offer that Objectivist will also have to put forth a tenacious effort because the war to defend one's rights and the ideas that rights stand on will never end.

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Tea Party organizers at http://taxdayteaparty.com/ are asking for suggestions.

Here's what I submitted:

Read Ayn Rand and learn to reject the only weapon the socialists have: the morality of altruism, the doctrine that morality consists of serving others and sacrificing yourself. Freedom requires that the implicit philosophy behind "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" be made explicit and defended. Ayn Rand argues that your life belongs to YOU. Accept the enemy's premise, that your life belongs to others, and you're lost: government will step in and sacrifice your liberty and your property. That's why the "turn to the right" of the Reagan years did not last, and why the Republicans have now become a party of big government; they accepted the enemy’s moral code.

The Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights has many resources you can use. Thanks!

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From http://teapartypatriots.org/ :

On April 15th, 2009, you, the Tea Party Patriots of America assembled in over 850 cities, totaling over 1.2 million Patriots, and creating the single largest, multi-city protest in American history.

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From http://teapartypatriots.org/ :

On April 15th, 2009, you, the Tea Party Patriots of America assembled in over 850 cities, totaling over 1.2 million Patriots, and creating the single largest, multi-city protest in American history.

Hi Bill,

I've been amazed by the spontaneous grassroots nature of this fledgling and highly unfocused movement... and was happy to participate in both the Simi Valley and Reagan Library TEA Parties.

Now we need candidates to vote for who will uphold sane small government low tax principles...

...but the reality is that the government is no more than an accurate reflection of the collective majority's demand to be served at the expense of others. You cannot fight against this, because it is what the majority wants. If they didn't, the government would be small and taxes would be low.

What encourages me the most is that government is now actually becoming financially unsustainable as well as unstable... and the collapse of the leftist socialist third party payer Ponzi Scam is more of a possibility now than it has ever been in my lifetime. A government bankruptcy could bring about an American Capitalist Renaissance.

Next is July 4th... which thankfully falls on a Saturday.

I'll be there. :)

Take Care,

Greg

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THE MORE PEOPLE TURN OUT, THE MORE WE MAKE OUR ANGER KNOWN TO THE LOOTERS IN WASHINGTON, THE BETTER!

Is ANGER what is driving the Tea Parties?

And does it matter how many people turn out?

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TEAPARTYPATRIOTS.ORG is asking for input on drafting a Mission Statement, which currently reads as follows:

Tea Party Patriots - Core Values / Mission Statement

DRAFT FOR DISCUSSION

CORE VALUES

Fiscal Responsibility

Limited Government

Free Markets

MISSION STATEMENT

The Tea Party Patriots are a group of individuals united by our shared core values. As an organization that believes in Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets, we recognize the strength of grassroots organizing powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. The Tea Party mission is to organize like-minded individuals, educate and inform others based on our core values, to secure public policy consistent with those values, and to positively affect the outcome of elections.

TALKING POINTS

The Tea Party core values are the values that America was founded on and they have roots in our shared heritage and belief in natural law. They derive from a belief in free will and the primacy of an individual who is responsible for his/her own actions.

An individual who is personally responsible will be fiscally responsible.

An individual who is personally responsible will make better decisions than a distant federal government

An individual who is personally responsible will productively respond to and interact with markets

RATIONALE

The impetus for the Tea Party movement has been excessive government spending. The choice of these core values recognizes what binds us together as a group, but it is also strategic in that these values have the ability to unite a supermajority of American voters. It specifically avoids addressing social issues which can be used to divide us and dilute our message.

It isn’t that social issues aren’t important; it’s that our core values help to inform our stance on the rest. We believe in limited government, so we believe that those issues are best decided at the state and local levels. Our stance on Government is rooted in the principles of Federalism enshrined in our Constitution. Since our organization is grassroots and built from the bottom up, we can unite on our shared values and address the rest at the local level if we choose to do so.

If our events, correspondence, websites, and interviews consistently speak the same message "fiscal responsibility, limited government, free markets" then we will be united on the national and international front. A united front is a strong front and it is critical for succeeding in our mission of securing public policy consistent with core values, and to positively affect the outcome of elections.

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As a member, I submitted the following:

Excellent! Here are two small but IMPORTANT additions:

ADD to CORE VALUES:

"individual rights" or

"the individual's right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness"

ADD to RATIONALE:

"and the intrusion of government into areas for which it has no constitutional sanction."

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TEAPARTYPATRIOTS.ORG is asking for input on drafting a Mission Statement, which currently reads as follows:

Tea Party Patriots - Core Values / Mission Statement

DRAFT FOR DISCUSSION

CORE VALUES

Fiscal Responsibility

Limited Government

Free Markets

MISSION STATEMENT

The Tea Party Patriots are a group of individuals united by our shared core values. As an organization that believes in Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets, we recognize the strength of grassroots organizing powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. The Tea Party mission is to organize like-minded individuals, educate and inform others based on our core values, to secure public policy consistent with those values, and to positively affect the outcome of elections.

TALKING POINTS

The Tea Party core values are the values that America was founded on and they have roots in our shared heritage and belief in natural law. They derive from a belief in free will and the primacy of an individual who is responsible for his/her own actions.

An individual who is personally responsible will be fiscally responsible.

An individual who is personally responsible will make better decisions than a distant federal government

An individual who is personally responsible will productively respond to and interact with markets

RATIONALE

The impetus for the Tea Party movement has been excessive government spending. The choice of these core values recognizes what binds us together as a group, but it is also strategic in that these values have the ability to unite a supermajority of American voters. It specifically avoids addressing social issues which can be used to divide us and dilute our message.

It isn’t that social issues aren’t important; it’s that our core values help to inform our stance on the rest. We believe in limited government, so we believe that those issues are best decided at the state and local levels. Our stance on Government is rooted in the principles of Federalism enshrined in our Constitution. Since our organization is grassroots and built from the bottom up, we can unite on our shared values and address the rest at the local level if we choose to do so.

If our events, correspondence, websites, and interviews consistently speak the same message "fiscal responsibility, limited government, free markets" then we will be united on the national and international front. A united front is a strong front and it is critical for succeeding in our mission of securing public policy consistent with core values, and to positively affect the outcome of elections.

==================================================

As a member, I submitted the following:

Excellent! Here are two small but IMPORTANT additions:

ADD to CORE VALUES:

"individual rights" or

"the individual's right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness"

ADD to RATIONALE:

"and the intrusion of government into areas for which it has no constitutional sanction."

Bill, your first addition is a big one. Does it seem to you that there is a reluctance among Tea-partiests to talk about individual rights? Do they hope to somehow get around, or bypass, a rational concept of selfishness?

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You cannot fight against this, because it is what the majority wants.
Yes, I absolutely can fight against this. Just because a large number of people are trying to limit your freedom doesn't mean you shouldn't fight for it. Additionally, many people here are trying to change the philosophy of the majority, not just the politics. Additionally, this viewpoint seems to stem from the notion that the US is a democracy so if the majority wills it, it must be true. The US is NOT a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. It doesn't matter how many people want to vote away the rights of a minority, that simply should not be possible.

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You cannot fight against this, because it is what the majority wants.
Yes, I absolutely can fight against this. Just because a large number of people are trying to limit your freedom doesn't mean you shouldn't fight for it. Additionally, many people here are trying to change the philosophy of the majority, not just the politics. Additionally, this viewpoint seems to stem from the notion that the US is a democracy so if the majority wills it, it must be true.

Hi check,

It stems from seeing what is and why it is. I agree that a big socialist government is an abomination, but it exists for a reason... people want it that way.

The US is NOT a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. It doesn't matter how many people want to vote away the rights of a minority, that simply should not be possible.

If it should not be possible... why are they doing it?

Because it is possible.

I can appreciate your attitude, and respect your willingness to fight against what the government has become, just like I'd respect Hank Rearden's fight if he were real...

...but the government is what it is today because of the just and deserved consequence of millions of people demanding to be served at the expense of others.

They demand their gauranteed union job security, their benefits, their insurance, their healthcare, their credit cards, their disability checks, their personal injury lawsuit awards, and their paid retirement... so the government merely becomes what they demand it to be.

Everyone is getting exactly the government they deserve.

So now the question becomes:

What can you do so that the government you deserve is the freedom from the government others deserve?

The answer is elusively simple... and decidedly American:

Buy it. :)

In Capitalist America, even freedom is for sale. You work, and earn, and save up enough money to buy it... and it really doesn't take much, because freedom is not only for sale in America... it's on sale, too.

To become worthy of buying your American freedom from the government others deserve takes some real world behavioral alterations. It also demands giving up things in which you sought your security... and assuming the risks of being a free American Capitalist... as well as enjoying the rewards.

There are economic sectors which have become heavily parasite infested to the degree that exposure to or participation in them can become toxic to your very being and must be avoided as much as is reasonably possible. For becoming inmeshed in their machinery can financially bleed you dry and spit out the corpse.

Among others, the most notable ones are:

Government

Unions

Education

Credit/Debt

Insurance

Healthcare

These are all going down...

...just see to it that you are as unattached to them as much as reasonably possible so that they don't take you down with them.

Hey, how's that for a digression...

As to the TEA Parties and wherever they might lead. I'm all in!... :D

...because I want the government to reflect my values... and until it does... I'll live happily in 'Galt's Gulch".

Take Care,

Greg

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It stems from seeing what is and why it is. I agree that a big socialist government is an abomination, but it exists for a reason... people want it that way.
The US is NOT a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. It doesn't matter how many people want to vote away the rights of a minority, that simply should not be possible.

If it should not be possible... why are they doing it?

Because it is possible.

I can appreciate your attitude, and respect your willingness to fight against what the government has become, just like I'd respect Hank Rearden's fight if he were real...

...but the government is what it is today because of the just and deserved consequence of millions of people demanding to be served at the expense of others.

They demand their gauranteed union job security, their benefits, their insurance, their healthcare, their credit cards, their disability checks, their personal injury lawsuit awards, and their paid retirement... so the government merely becomes what they demand it to be.

Everyone is getting exactly the government they deserve.

I'll have to think about whether the assertion that the government is simply a reaction to what people want, rather than telling people that they need help and the government is there for them.
So now the question becomes:

What can you do so that the government you deserve is the freedom from the government others deserve?

The answer is elusively simple... and decidedly American:

Buy it. :)

In Capitalist America, even freedom is for sale. You work, and earn, and save up enough money to buy it... and it really doesn't take much, because freedom is not only for sale in America... it's on sale, too.

I honestly have no idea what you mean by this. The best guess I have is that you mean that one should save up enough money to go "underground" in some sort of "Galt's Gulch" senario? This has been discussed elsewhere, and I don't think that's the answer.

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I agree that a big socialist government is an abomination, but it exists for a reason... people want it that way.

But WHY do they want it that way? Observe that people didn't always want a big government and not everyone today wants one either. What makes the difference. Once you know the reason why some men want big government, you will know what has to be changed to turn things around.

If it should not be possible [to vote away the rights of a minority]... why are they doing it?

Because it is possible.

That's an easy -- and wrong -- answer.

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.... Bill, your first addition is a big one. Does it seem to you that there is a reluctance among Tea-partiests to talk about individual rights? Do they hope to somehow get around, or bypass, a rational concept of selfishness?

I think it's rather a matter of the concept "individual rights" having totally disappeared from public discourse for the past 50+ years (with the exception of Ayn Rand), so that it doesn't readily occur to anyone but Objectivists.

Will the Tea Party movement come to embrace individual rights explicity, rather than merely implicitly? Only time will tell. My impression is that there is certainly an above-average interest in ideas among Tea Party protestors.

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I agree that a big socialist government is an abomination, but it exists for a reason... people want it that way.

But WHY do they want it that way?

I couldn't care less, Betsy.

Observe that people didn't always want a big government and not everyone today wants one either.

(shrug)So what?

Let them buy their own freedom by becoming an American Capitalist...

...because it's hanging right there in front of them like ripe fruit just waiting to be picked.

What makes the difference. Once you know the reason why some men want big government, you will know what has to be changed to turn things around.

I took a different approach...

Instead of wondering about why the insane want big government, or waiting for others to turn things around, I simply changed things for myself by earning my own freedom. It's actually quite simple. If I can do it with no education and a few simple skills... anyone else can surely do it, too.

Anyone who becomes the American who deserves freedom... already has it.

That's an easy -- and wrong -- answer.

I was just commenting the wording as the answer doesn't matter to me...

...saying that it should not be possible to vote away the rights of the minority, when the reality is that it is possible.

Big government exists because it is exactly what people deserve when they demand to be served at the expense of others.

So simply stand aside and let them choke on it.

Take Care,

Greg

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I honestly have no idea what you mean by this. The best guess I have is that you mean that one should save up enough money to go "underground" in some sort of "Galt's Gulch" senario? This has been discussed elsewhere, and I don't think that's the answer.

Hi check,

On no, there's no need for anything that draconian. You're right... freedom can be secured and enjoyed completely "above ground". We'll spend enough time underground when we're dead.:)

I can give you a personal example of what I mean "buying freedom as an American Capitalist":

My wife and I wanted to live in a particularly beautiful natural rural location, but it is prohibitively expensive to buy a home there. Even now with depressed real estate prices, $750K will barely cover the cost of the cheapest house in the neighborhood.

So as American Capitalists, we took a risk and bought a piece of land that the former owner, an architect, had tried to develop and build but failed. We "hired" ourselves as unskilled day laborers and cleared the land ourselves. We then "hired" ourselves as developers and were able to get a building permit. Then we "hired" ourselves as builders and built the home. Then as real estate agents we "sold" the finished product to ourselves for the wholesale cost of developing and building which is only 25% of the actual market selling price. So now we own our own home free and clear with no mortgage, and only pay property taxes on the developer/builder cost of the home since it never actually changed hands.

Thankfully I escaped being dumbed down by that stupid idiotic fraud called education so that I could be free to discover for myself how to think outside of the box.

In business, you want to own and control as much as possible of the pipeline of the product you wish to obtain. So by owning and controlling the complete pipeline from raw land to finished home, we now get to enjoy the fruits of our labors as American Capitalists, and happily live in our little "Galt's Gulch".

Take Care,

Greg

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The Tea Parties may have been little more than a field day outing and a chance to vent frustrations, as on the evening of April 15th, I watched our congressmen on television talking about how they have no choice but to raise taxes because the state's deficit is huge and we just lost 53% of the income tax base due to the crash on Wall St. Yes, only hours after the protestors went home, the politicians are already back to their usual routines.

If 20 million Americans stopped filing tax returns, that might get their attention, but the likelihood of that is...?

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The Tea Parties may have been little more than a field day outing and a chance to vent frustrations, as on the evening of April 15th,

It was also an opportunity to introduce most of the demonstrators -- who know what's wrong but not how to make it right -- to Ayn Rand. Objectivists who showed up at the tea parties bringing ARI literature to hand out all ran out very quickly. Next time we bring MORE.

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The Tea Parties may have been little more than a field day outing and a chance to vent frustrations, as on the evening of April 15th, I watched our congressmen on television talking about how they have no choice but to raise taxes because the state's deficit is huge and we just lost 53% of the income tax base due to the crash on Wall St. Yes, only hours after the protestors went home, the politicians are already back to their usual routines.

If 20 million Americans stopped filing tax returns, that might get their attention, but the likelihood of that is...?

Hi Mark,

I was at two of the April TEA Parties, and I saw them in a more positive light...

It's downright fun being outside in the bright sunshine and clean air waving an American flag, smiling and yelling at the passersby...

...and while I don't think it can change a government that already exists as a literal

manifestation of the overwhelming majority's demand to be served at the expense of others...

...it does change those who take the time to actively participate and to experience first hand the positive response of others for them being there to publicly express what they are thinking.

Everything starts out small... so it's still way too early to tell where the TEA Parties will lead...

...but I'm willing to be there to find out.

The 4th of July TEA Parties should be a ball... smile.gif

Greg

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Hi Mark,

I was at two of the April TEA Parties, and I saw them in a more positive light...

It's downright fun being outside in the bright sunshine and clean air waving an American flag, smiling and yelling at the passersby...

...and while I don't think it can change a government that already exists as a literal

manifestation of the overwhelming majority's demand to be served at the expense of others...

...it does change those who take the time to actively participate and to experience first hand the positive response of others for them being there to publicly express what they are thinking.

Everything starts out small... so it's still way too early to tell where the TEA Parties will lead...

...but I'm willing to be there to find out.

The 4th of July TEA Parties should be a ball... smile.gif

Greg

My comments should not be taken to construe that I don't believe the Tea Parties are a positive thing--I think it's a good measure of how far the people have been squeezed and it is the first step in a sea of change that could be started as a grass roots campaign.

However... the news media suppresses the tea parties, our own state government proclaimed that they will HAVE to increase taxes DESPITE the tea party protests and I don't see the Tea Parties as having any 'teeth'. It's all just empty bravado.

A strike would be much more effective. Even the threat of a strike. But again, Altruism dominates the culture, so it won't happen.

When I was working for a certain insurance company a few years ago, one of the techniques we used to recruit new sales people was the survey. We conducted the survey in two New York counties, in areas with very high taxes. One of the questions: "Do you feel you pay too much in taxes?" An overwhelming majority replied "no". That... was a real shock to me. Now I understand why we have the government 'they' deserve.

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