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TEA PARTY, Charlotte North Carolina - John Lewis

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Thanks! Magnificent!

John Lewis implies that, when the socialist politicians claim our protests are not a grassroots movement but an orchestrated right-wing conspiracy, it's because they can't even grasp the possibility of autonomous people wanting to run their own lives. The politicians can think only in terms of their own mass movements, in which docile herds of parasitical puppets do the bidding of their masters.

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John Lewis implies that, when the socialist politicians claim our protests are not a grassroots movement but an orchestrated right-wing conspiracy, it's because they can't even grasp the possibility of autonomous people wanting to run their own lives. The politicians can think only in terms of their own mass movements, in which docile herds of parasitical puppets do the bidding of their masters.

That is a result of Marxist determinism: The 'masses' must revolt for socialism; if you speak out for individualism it's because "your father must own a factory". So of course they think it must be an 'industry/Republican-funded conspiracy'; "Haliburton did it".

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As someone once pointed out to me, the proletarians are revolting.

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As someone once pointed out to me, the proletarians are revolting.

You make a very good point. Throughout history, when the "proletarians" actually did revolt, it was always for increasing Liberty. This is a point that has continually frustrated Marxists. All those revolutions they predicted have never come true because it turns out the the poor are actually the best supporters of Capitalism.

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Thank you very, very much for posting this Rose... it is making me feel infinitely better about our future.

Watching all these Tea Party videos is very inspiring to take part somehow in this movement :rolleyes:

Due to my current academic position I have no desire to be public in my political views, so instead I'm donating money to ARI; I think that should compensate B)

For the first time in a while I feel like saying

Americarocks!

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Thank you very, very much for posting this Rose... it is making me feel infinitely better about our future.

Watching all these Tea Party videos is very inspiring to take part somehow in this movement :rolleyes:

Due to my current academic position I have no desire to be public in my political views, so instead I'm donating money to ARI; I think that should compensate B)

For the first time in a while I feel like saying

Americarocks!

That's exactly how I feel about America. In no other country are these particular protests even possible. Even though the Left will soon play a very bold political hand (in response to these secular capitalist uprisings), there is a good chance of an American Renewal.

The moral outrage is so strong that Rick Perry is now under fire for acknowledging, not advocating, the secessionist tendency that has reared its head in Texas.

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If Texas voluntarily joined the United States then I don't see how we can't voluntarily leave...

if anything we'd be a lot better off.

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If Texas voluntarily joined the United States then I don't see how we can't voluntarily leave...

if anything we'd be a lot better off.

I believe as a legal matter, such a right, if it did in fact exist at all, was forfeited after the surrender of the Confederacy.

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If Texas voluntarily joined the United States then I don't see how we can't voluntarily leave... if anything we'd be a lot better off.

You might want to study some of the hundreds of thousands of pages of U.S. history ca. 1861-65 to see if your assertion is true.

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If Texas voluntarily joined the United States then I don't see how we can't voluntarily leave... if anything we'd be a lot better off.

You might want to study some of the hundreds of thousands of pages of U.S. history ca. 1861-65 to see if your assertion is true.

The comment was made in the context that currently Texas is one of the most business friendly states in America, with some of the lowest taxes you can find. We are an economic powerhouse, with abundant oil, natural gas, agriculture, computer/tech companies, quite a few good universities, a large population and a lot of land area. With that said, if America continues its current trend towards socialism, what does Texas possibly have to gain by remaining part of a failing/failed nation?

Comparing the legitimate possibility of modern-day Texas being a self-supporting, independent nation to the completely different and unrelated context of events that led to a horrific war in mid 19th century America makes just about zero sense Phil.

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With that said, if America continues its current trend towards socialism, what does Texas possibly have to gain by remaining part of a failing/failed nation?

Comparing the legitimate possibility of modern-day Texas being a self-supporting, independent nation to the completely different and unrelated context of events that led to a horrific war in mid 19th century America makes just about zero sense Phil.

Imagining that there would be a different reaction from the U.S. federal government towards a seceding state - and any "reasons" for it are completely irrelevant - today vs. 1861 is to demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of both the situation then and the situation now, hence my evidently ignored suggestion to actually get a clue about what you are falsely and absurdly asserting to be a "legitimate possibility." The fact that some Texas politicians make such ludicrous comments - evidently displaying the same profound lack of understanding of history - is not a justification to repeat them as though they had some rational merit. Qua American involvement, World War II and Vietnam were minor skirmishes compared to the impact of the Civil War on the country, and a second one - fought with modern weaponry coupled with far less modern philosophic clarity from either "side" - would be cataclysmic. That isn't to say that it won't happen, but if it does, it will be as a result of colossal evasion and stupidity.

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With that said, if America continues its current trend towards socialism, what does Texas possibly have to gain by remaining part of a failing/failed nation?

Comparing the legitimate possibility of modern-day Texas being a self-supporting, independent nation to the completely different and unrelated context of events that led to a horrific war in mid 19th century America makes just about zero sense Phil.

Imagining that there would be a different reaction from the U.S. federal government towards a seceding state - and any "reasons" for it are completely irrelevant - today vs. 1861 is to demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of both the situation then and the situation now, hence my evidently ignored suggestion to actually get a clue about what you are falsely and absurdly asserting to be a "legitimate possibility." The fact that some Texas politicians make such ludicrous comments - evidently displaying the same profound lack of understanding of history - is not a justification to repeat them as though they had some rational merit. Qua American involvement, World War II and Vietnam were minor skirmishes compared to the impact of the Civil War on the country, and a second one - fought with modern weaponry coupled with far less modern philosophic clarity from either "side" - would be cataclysmic. That isn't to say that it won't happen, but if it does, it will be as a result of colossal evasion and stupidity.

Phil, the meaning of "possible" I meant was that it is possible for Texas to be a stand-alone nation because of our awesome economy and resources.

Would it be possible for Texas to secede? Obviously no, because it wouldn't be allowed by the United Stated Government.

Please actually understand first what I'm saying before you write a post with statements like "actually get a clue about what you are falsely and absurdly asserting to be a "legitimate possibility."" or "displaying the same profound lack of understanding of history".

The opening statement of "If Texas voluntarily joined the United States then I don't see how we can't voluntarily leave... if anything we'd be a lot better off." was meant to be a lighthearted comment, not some rigorous or serious historical analysis.

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Here is a link to a great speech by John Lewis at the Charlotte, NC Tea Party:

TEA PARTY Speech by Dr. John Lewis in Charlotte, NC

Thank-you for posting this! What wonderful, inspiring words from Dr. Lewis.

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Here is a link to a slightly modified version of Dr. Lewis' Charlotte Tea Party Speech at Capitalism Magazine:

The Charlotte Tea Party Speech (Text)

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