James Paul

Drug Dealers and Rights

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No, there are plenty of other reasons one can know that these powers are designed for rights-violating purposes. You stated one of them--taking down drug lords.

Wait..... are you telling me that taking down drug dealers violates their rights? That's absolutely absurd.

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No, there are plenty of other reasons one can know that these powers [controlling the internet] are designed for rights-violating purposes. You stated one of them--taking down drug lords.

Wait..... are you telling me that taking down drug dealers violates their rights? That's absolutely absurd.

Why is that absurd? Laws aginst buying and selling drugs are as much a violation of property rights and lead to the same harmful consequences as the prohibition of alcohol did.

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No, there are plenty of other reasons one can know that these powers [controlling the internet] are designed for rights-violating purposes. You stated one of them--taking down drug lords.

Wait..... are you telling me that taking down drug dealers violates their rights? That's absolutely absurd.

Why is that absurd? Laws aginst buying and selling drugs are as much a violation of property rights and lead to the same harmful consequences as the prohibition of alcohol did.

I have to agree. The moment you stop and think about the “War on drugs” it’s patently absurd from pretty much every angle as well as a gross rights violation. So of course, as HL Mencken once observed, the whole purpose of modern government is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be lead to safety by an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. The government likes this as it lets them take money and liberty away from those who refuse to think.

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The moment you stop and think about the “War on drugs” it’s patently absurd from pretty much every angle as well as a gross rights violation. So of course, as HL Mencken once observed, the whole purpose of modern government is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be lead to safety by an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. The government likes this as it lets them take money and liberty away from those who refuse to think.

The murdering thugs in organized crime surviving off international drug money are not innocent and not imaginary. The situation along the Mexican border, which is a big issue today, is extremely serious. They are not just engaging in an activity that ought to be legal despite its immorality.

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The moment you stop and think about the “War on drugs” it’s patently absurd from pretty much every angle as well as a gross rights violation. So of course, as HL Mencken once observed, the whole purpose of modern government is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be lead to safety by an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. The government likes this as it lets them take money and liberty away from those who refuse to think.

The murdering thugs in organized crime surviving off international drug money are not innocent and not imaginary. The situation along the Mexican border, which is a big issue today, is extremely serious. They are not just engaging in an activity that ought to be legal despite its immorality.

You are definitely right about organized crime, ewv. However, I think we can agree that it is a violation of even these criminals rights to arrest and imprison them for possessing, smuggling, or distributing drugs (to adults). Drugs lords who murder, assault, extort, etc. or order such crimes should be duly punished for these very real crimes and you could easily argue that such an occupation necessitates that type of criminal activity. Still, the presumption of innocence is the basis of a fair judicial system, and justice requires they be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of a real crime.

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The murdering thugs in organized crime surviving off international drug money are not innocent and not imaginary. The situation along the Mexican border, which is a big issue today, is extremely serious. They are not just engaging in an activity that ought to be legal despite its immorality.

Very true. We don't need to defend drug lords in order to oppose drug laws. It isn't an accident that drug networks are made-up of murderers. Make drug trafficking a felony and felons will sell them. The ultimate victims of the war on drugs are not the sellers, but the communities ravaged by would-be dictators who should be impotent but for laws that create a market for their violence. For all the attempts to "starve out" organized crime by seizing shipments (a failed strategy from the start), all the government has to do to really hurt their wallets is to make the substances legal.

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The murdering thugs in organized crime surviving off international drug money are not innocent and not imaginary. The situation along the Mexican border, which is a big issue today, is extremely serious. They are not just engaging in an activity that ought to be legal despite its immorality.

That is definitely criminal activity, but is it caused by drugs or by drug prohibition?

Observe that during (alcohol) Prohibition when a bottlegger's deal went bad the gangsters had to send out "enforcers" to recoup their losses. After repeal, they had access to the courts and they could sue for damages. During Prohibition, there was blood in the streets when a rival gang try to muscle in on another gang's territory. After repeal, a distiller who lost market share hired a new ad agency.

The same thing will happen when drugs are legalized.

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That is definitely criminal activity, but is it caused by drugs or by drug prohibition?

Observe that during (alcohol) Prohibition when a bottlegger's deal went bad the gangsters had to send out "enforcers" to recoup their losses. After repeal, they had access to the courts and they could sue for damages. During Prohibition, there was blood in the streets when a rival gang try to muscle in on another gang's territory. After repeal, a distiller who lost market share hired a new ad agency.

The same thing will happen when drugs are legalized.

Drug laws don't cause thugs to choose to murder people. They create an environment that attracts such people, just like government controls attract the worst Orren Boyle elements to business. That doesn't exonerate them. The drug lords are fully evil gangsters and terrorists, not to be rationalized away with arguments against drug laws.

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That is definitely criminal activity, but is it caused by drugs or by drug prohibition?

Observe that during (alcohol) Prohibition when a bottlegger's deal went bad the gangsters had to send out "enforcers" to recoup their losses. After repeal, they had access to the courts and they could sue for damages. During Prohibition, there was blood in the streets when a rival gang try to muscle in on another gang's territory. After repeal, a distiller who lost market share hired a new ad agency.

The same thing will happen when drugs are legalized.

Drug laws don't cause thugs to choose to murder people. They create an environment that attracts such people, just like government controls attract the worst Orren Boyle elements to business. That doesn't exonerate them. The drug lords are fully evil gangsters and terrorists, not to be rationalized away with arguments against drug laws.

Who was doing that? As I wrote, above, "That is definitely criminal activity."

If drugs are decriminalized, the thugs will gravitate toward other things, usually things people want that shouldn't be illegal but are, like prostitution. A few years back when they outlawed freon (used in refrigerators and car air conditioners), many Mexican drug runners started smuggling it across the border.

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That is definitely criminal activity, but is it caused by drugs or by drug prohibition?

Drug laws don't cause thugs to choose to murder people. They create an environment that attracts such people, just like government controls attract the worst Orren Boyle elements to business. That doesn't exonerate them. The drug lords are fully evil gangsters and terrorists, not to be rationalized away with arguments against drug laws.

Who was doing that? As I wrote, above, "That is definitely criminal activity."

Neither drugs nor drug prohibition causes thugs to murder people.

If drugs are decriminalized, the thugs will gravitate toward other things, usually things people want that shouldn't be illegal but are, like prostitution. A few years back when they outlawed freon (used in refrigerators and car air conditioners), many Mexican drug runners started smuggling it across the border.

They are not motivated to commit only crimes that should be decriminalized. The drug lords are thugs and murderers by nature who will commit any crimes they can get away with. Improper laws give them more room to flourish; they don't cause the murders.

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That is definitely criminal activity, but is it caused by drugs or by drug prohibition?

Drug laws don't cause thugs to choose to murder people. They create an environment that attracts such people, just like government controls attract the worst Orren Boyle elements to business. That doesn't exonerate them. The drug lords are fully evil gangsters and terrorists, not to be rationalized away with arguments against drug laws.

Who was doing that? As I wrote, above, "That is definitely criminal activity."

Neither drugs nor drug prohibition causes thugs to murder people.

If drugs are decriminalized, the thugs will gravitate toward other things, usually things people want that shouldn't be illegal but are, like prostitution. A few years back when they outlawed freon (used in refrigerators and car air conditioners), many Mexican drug runners started smuggling it across the border.

They are not motivated to commit only crimes that should be decriminalized. The drug lords are thugs and murderers by nature who will commit any crimes they can get away with. Improper laws give them more room to flourish; they don't cause the murders.

In one sense they do. Because drugs are illegal, dealers cannot go to court to resolve disputes so they resort to force.

Another, quite amazing thing about drug prohibition, is that by refusing to decriminalise drugs we make certain that THE TALIBAN will continue to have a secure source of funds for their terror campaigns. If we grew enough heroin, lawfully in say Turkey, Taliban would be reduced to throwing rocks at our troops, yet by maintaining the ban, we make sure they have plenty of money for guns, explosives and ammunition.

DRUG LAWS FUND THE TALIBAN!!

So let's be sensible and grow our own drugs not buy from these bastards.

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In one sense they do. Because drugs are illegal, dealers cannot go to court to resolve disputes so they resort to force.

Another, quite amazing thing about drug prohibition, is that by refusing to decriminalise drugs we make certain that THE TALIBAN will continue to have a secure source of funds for their terror campaigns. If we grew enough heroin, lawfully in say Turkey, Taliban would be reduced to throwing rocks at our troops, yet by maintaining the ban, we make sure they have plenty of money for guns, explosives and ammunition.

DRUG LAWS FUND THE TALIBAN!!

So let's be sensible and grow our own drugs not buy from these bastards.

The example of prohibition was clear for all to see. This evasion is costing us plenty. Amazing isn't it, governments think they are needed to supply education and hospitals and a million other things, yet the result is chronic shortages. Yet, despite billions spent to remove certain products, the market continues to supply them. Facts and evidence are ignored if it doesn't suit their wishes. Contemptible!

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