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This is very representative of the European "fluid" mentality of thinking, where there are no absolutes, there is no black and white, just a squishy variation of grey to describe all things.

Note the insanity of the law

Under Dutch law, it is illegal to insult or incite hatred against a group of people on the basis of gender, religion, race or sexuality.

which package deals together the mere act of criticism of a group with explicit calls for violence against a group.

The former is innocent, even if misguided, and falls under freedom of speech. The latter (explicit calls for violence against a group) is not innocent, and should be illegal.

But in the vast fuzziness of their thinking and terms, "inciting hate" is so vague that it can encompass almost anything, offering politicians a club to wield at a moment's discretion to bludgeon any opponent into silence.

This is the profound fuzziness, slipperiness, greyness of the European mentality, where free speech must be "curbed" to protect the individual rights of other groups; freedom in a society is preserved through coercion of its inhabitants.

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There is no philosophical basis for any rights in Europe, Carlos. There are privileges, but those can be taken away or withheld at the government's discretion.

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The headline of this article really says it all

Prosecutors: Dutch anti-Islam politician can't defend himself by arguing that his comments are true

Guess we can all kiss what's left of Europe good-bye, then.

Unfortunately not, which makes me quite angry.

The ECB (European Central Bank), led by Germans (productive people, if sheep), refuses to play the devaluation game. On the other hand, the US insists on playing it to get out of their debt (which is why the ECB has to refuse to play it). What this means is an increasingly weak USD (and dilution of all capitalists i.e. savers which is after all why they are doing it) and increasingly strong EUR. The US is basically saying "screw you" to all its creditors (China, but also its population).

Why does it matter? Keeping your currency hard forces your people to be productive and make things other people want, because cheapness no longer is sufficient (doubly so when you think about the extraordinary social charges you encounter in those desertic, Muslim-loving lands). That is the point Miss Rand made in Atlas Shrugged by using gold as a currency (and why gold is now at 1300+ and even if falling short term, rising much further in the medium to long term; not just gold, all commodities). Weakening it means your people become lazy and stop innovating, although this is often, indeed usually, offset in cultures with a tradition of entrepreneurship such as the US or the South East of China (all the Cantonese-speaking parts, basically, which have been traders and innovators, and extraordinarily productive people for over 3,000 years and only had a brief break for half a century before resuming their former business).

Short story, the US is in for a LOT of trouble, much more than any Tea Party-led government will be able to cope with (the market has basically fully priced in an enormous quantitative easing package, and Open Interest net shorts on the USD are over 26 billion). Whereas Europe will become more like Germany, except for a few states that will default spectacularly. Indeed, Germany and the Northern states might well secede and form a strong European continent.

In the long run their socialism will get them like it is getting the Southern EU states (PIIGS, Portugal (Ireland Italy - in brackets due to good fiscal policy) Greece Spain), through massive rolling of debt becoming impossible as speculators decide this game sure is getting a bit too risky. Their idiotic policies, such as Solvency II which is the only reason EU government bonds are still up (it basically forces EU pension funds and insurers to purchase them driving yields to record lows i.e. bond prices to record highs) will kill them.

In the short run, the US will collapse further and further and everybody will point at Europe and its "better system", when really they just have disciplined central bankers and the US has socialist ones, who I suspect are firing a few last second desperate shots before getting their heads severed and put on a platter.

It makes me fume. Islam is just one facet of it. They're just the best players of this sad, idiotic game. And now I am trading on this information, I don't just get hints - I get the full blast of it and must focus on it.

I hope the Tea Party earns a well deserved MASSIVE victory.

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By the way, fun fact: the US didn't grow in EUR terms.

Next time a socialist boasts about the green shoots or growth from massive liquidity injections a la Keynes, ask them to quote you the growth in EUR or gold terms.

Oh dear.

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The headline of this article really says it all

Prosecutors: Dutch anti-Islam politician can't defend himself by arguing that his comments are true

Guess we can all kiss what's left of Europe good-bye, then.

Cultures are not races. I don't know how many times I have to bring this up in conversations. Cultures are the product of accepted ideas among a large group of people. Ideas by their very nature are open to evaluation. An evaluation of an idea has nothing to do with race (a genetic issue), and their defence should be founded on this clarification.

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Arnold, they don't care about ideas (other than altruism and egalitarianism) since all cultures are equal and death by stoning is the same as living a happy life.

rtg24, what about Islam? Don't you think Europe, especially the northern states, will succumb to it?

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What *will* happen is not set in stone. A more accurate phrasing would be: 'if present conditions persist, then X is the logical outcome.' No-one on this board could have predicted the Tea Party movement in America - not even Rick Santelli, the man who started it all on CNBC, so I would be loath to write off the near future so quickly. Things can and do change for the better and we're living through that today.

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What *will* happen is not set in stone. A more accurate phrasing would be: 'if present conditions persist, then X is the logical outcome.' No-one on this board could have predicted the Tea Party movement in America - not even Rick Santelli, the man who started it all on CNBC, so I would be loath to write off the near future so quickly. Things can and do change for the better and we're living through that today.

Actually, Europe HAS had a major person pop up out of the blue to speak against Islamization as Santelli did against socialism. His name is Geert Wilders, and he's currently standing trial for his honesty. If he loses, how many Europeans are going to be willing to stand up to defend him, when doing so could be construed as "offensive"? Who's going to want to stand up against a violent ideology that could kill them, if they not only can't count on government protection, but might also have to stand up against government prosecution?

Freedom of speech and ownership of firearms are still protected here. In Europe, the second has been done away with long ago, and the first is now on the ropes, as well. So if the government might not protect its citizens' right to speak out, and the citizens can't protect their own right to speak out, who's going to prevent the Islamization?

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What *will* happen is not set in stone. A more accurate phrasing would be: 'if present conditions persist, then X is the logical outcome.' No-one on this board could have predicted the Tea Party movement in America - not even Rick Santelli, the man who started it all on CNBC, so I would be loath to write off the near future so quickly. Things can and do change for the better and we're living through that today.

Well, Americans have a history of rising against increased Democratization, e.g. with Reagan's mass election, or the 94 November victory that destroyed Clinton's attempts at doing an Obama. So in theory (and don't we all say that), this anti-statist uprising was somewhat predictable. Its strength, and purity of purpose (this is not mere conservatism) did surprise me.

L-C, yes, ultimately, unless socialism and mass welfare states get it first. The Islamic fundamentalists are gaining grounds (helps that their target population is receiving welfare checks - generous ones - and doesn't know where to spend it) but against THAT threat, populations are starting to react. Not publicly, but a lot of non-Muslim people in France are fed up and will gladly say so privately. It's a first step.

That being said, I do think we are not far from a mass debt default in Europe, which really WOULD be different (it hasn't happened since industrialization, with a couple of exceptions). A game-changer of epic proportions which will make a few traders rich beyond dreams, and perhaps sound off a warning to Americans unless they do it first.

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L-C, yes, ultimately, unless socialism and mass welfare states get it first. The Islamic fundamentalists are gaining grounds (helps that their target population is receiving welfare checks - generous ones - and doesn't know where to spend it) but against THAT threat, populations are starting to react. Not publicly, but a lot of non-Muslim people in France are fed up and will gladly say so privately. It's a first step.

None of the objections I've seen here in Sweden have been based on proper philosophy. Most of them belong to one or more of the following categories: 1. Our welfare system cannot support such an influx of immigrants who do not work; 2. The Middle-East culture is not compatible with the Swedish one, and leads to segregation; 3. Eww, brown people. In turn, the counter-objections invariably claim that category 3 is the only one used by the "xenophobics", and that no one is better than anyone else.

While 1 and 2 are correct, no one objects to the nature of the welfare state as such, and no one makes apparent the actual relationship between Middle-East and Western culture. I have no confidence in any European to stop the onslaught of Islam unless they possess large quantities of hidden, protected and deliverable nuclear weapons, and the will to use them.

In other words: the US may have its problems, but I believe the rest of the world's relative lack of individual rights, particularly arms and self-defense, will become an ever greater disadvantage even if they may present better economic potential. Frankly, I trust no other country on the planet to do the job right long term. I do think that your (rtg24) life strategy is very, very smart and worth being inspired by. What better way to insure oneself against problems than getting rich enough to live, move and work (or not work) as one pleases, and as circumstances demand?

With $50M, any such problems are pretty much over, almost regardless of the condition of the world. Need to move to another continent? Done. Need world-class specialist medical care for some rare ailment? Pocket change.

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