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It is interesting to see these protests start to spread around the country.

They are not spontaneous, only arranged to look that way. The unions and other leftist groups have been planning and organizing them for years, not just in the US but also in Europe and the mid-East. When the New Left was taking over university buildings and rioting in the streets to provoke the police in "spontaneous demonstrations" in the late 60s and early 70s it was commonly known on campus to be cynically "well planned spontaneous demonstrations". Such is their history and that of "community organizing" ever since. They always loudly announced themselves as "non-violent" while accusing their political enemies of "violence" and "racism" regardless of what anyone said or did in reaction to them, which was very little, especially from university officials, and never violent or racist. Only the police were occasionally deliberately provoked into "violence" when the riots got too bad. At the top of their lists of demands was always "amnesty" for themselves as they manipulated the PR to seize the moral high ground. They got away with murder and still do, carefully following, and manipulating people in accordance with, a cynical strategic script.

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The problem is that education in America is a monopoly. People pay for the service, and they are coerced to pay. Property taxes, primarily, but through other avenues, too. This leaves people, particularly at the lower economic end, at the largest disadvantage. They pay for the service, yet get very little choice in it. They are the ones who cannot afford to pay for the same service twice by sending their children to private schools or buy supplemental education.

The problem is the combination of monopolies and unions. You can't have both else either can hold those who depend on the services hostage - like the NYC trash and snow problems earlier this year. You can have unions when there is a market with active competition. One service contracts via unions and another does not. Customers have the option of which to contract with. Professionals have the option of which organization to work for.

I don't believe that the government should be in the business of business, however the way to cut the Gordian knot in Wisconsin now is to select one - eliminate the government monopoly on education or eliminate the union's ability to hold the people hostage.

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In ANDREW VERRIJDT's article (link) he wrote:

"Governor Scott Walker has introduced a “budget repair Bill” that is aimed at reducing the state’s deficit but includes a number of measures that weaken labour rights.The central feature of the Bill is that it requires government employees to pay more towards their pension and healthcare benefits... the Bill prevents unions from gathering funds from their members, which would cause any union to suffer a slow death by starvation, or turn into a completely volunteer organisation."

I wonder what are labour rights and how they are different from the rights of all other people, employers included? What is the moral ground on which one may demand that employers have to pay at all towards employees' pension and healthcare benefits? Surely, employees are grown up, able people who can take care on themselves. Do they really need State coercion in order to ensure that somebody else will take care on their basic needs? Why not demand that employers also should pay for their employees' life and motor car insurance, their children's education, electricity and grocery bills, their bond or rent and their funeral plans?

Furthermore, isn't a trade union suppose to be a completely voluntary organisation? If union needs a law, that is-government coercion in order to collect funds, it only means that workers don't need such a union. This is an open secret that COSATU (the South African Trade Union organisation) and labour laws are the main hindrance which prevents the South African economy to grow. Pity, we don't have somebody like Governor Scott Walker in our government, bless be his pen.

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Furthermore, isn't a trade union suppose to be a completely voluntary organisation? If union needs a law, that is-government coercion in order to collect funds, it only means that workers don't need such a union. This is an open secret that COSATU (the South African Trade Union organisation) and labour laws are the main hindrance which prevents the South African economy to grow. Pity, we don't have somebody like Governor Scott Walker in our government, bless be his pen.

Dr. Michael Hurd writes about Why Republicans Blink:

It gets worse. The governor of Wisconsin is reportedly going to wobble. If reports are true, he's going to compromise with public union officials on the right to collectively bargain, the whole point of dispute over these many weeks. He's going to call it something other than moral compromise, but this is what it is. He's going to give those union leaders some or even most of what they want. True to form, these leaders, led by the likes of socialist filmmaker Michael Moore, are holding firm until they get what even a Democratic governor would probably be reluctant to give them. This poor governor thought he was going to be Ronald Reagan. Three decades ago, airline traffic controllers (federal employees) went on strike. Reagan told them, you can't go on strike because it's against the law. They replied: Yes, we can. Reagan said no, and if they didn't return to work, he'd fire them. They didn't return to work -- and he fired them. Governor Walker engaged in Reagan-interruptus. He started out firm, but then he blinked. The reason is reportedly the fall in his poll numbers. Unfortunately, Reagan aside, blinking is what Republicans usually do.

Now what do politicians such as Walker seek to gain by compromising with their enemy? The Tea Party movement won't back him for compromising. He won't win over a single liberal. Moderate Republicans will be annoyed that Walker put them through all this hell only to back down in the end. The public unions, living off the productive work of the private sector, are stronger, more entitled and militant than ever. Lack of courage and course reversals betray a fundamental lack of integrity, and that's the most disgusting thing to any human being ... friend or foe. Walker will lose across the board by wobbling.

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I wonder where Dr. Hurd, whom I generally enjoy reading very much and with whom I usually agree, got his news for today's piece. It's my understanding that the reports of Governor Walker's supposed "caving" over the "Collective Bargaining" (read, collusion) aspects of the bill -- now shown to be without merit both by events of this evening and the Governor's reaction to them -- were inaccurately or, rather, hopefully based by mostly Liberal news outlets on a series of old emails that bore no direct relation to the issue at hand but that, when removed from their proper context, conveniently appeared to paint the governor as a wobbler.

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I wonder where Dr. Hurd, whom I generally enjoy reading very much and with whom I usually agree, got his news for today's piece. It's my understanding that the reports of Governor Walker's supposed "caving" over the "Collective Bargaining" (read, collusion) aspects of the bill -- now shown to be without merit both by events of this evening and the Governor's reaction to them -- were inaccurately or, rather, hopefully based by mostly Liberal news outlets on a series of old emails that bore no direct relation to the issue at hand but that, when removed from their proper context, conveniently appeared to paint the governor as a wobbler.
Considering they JUST voted down collective bargaining in an entirely Allen Drury-esque manner.

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I wonder where Dr. Hurd, whom I generally enjoy reading very much and with whom I usually agree, got his news for today's piece. It's my understanding that the reports of Governor Walker's supposed "caving" over the "Collective Bargaining" (read, collusion) aspects of the bill -- now shown to be without merit both by events of this evening and the Governor's reaction to them -- were inaccurately or, rather, hopefully based by mostly Liberal news outlets on a series of old emails that bore no direct relation to the issue at hand but that, when removed from their proper context, conveniently appeared to paint the governor as a wobbler.
Considering they JUST voted down collective bargaining in an entirely Allen Drury-esque manner.

The bad call is mine. I hadn't been following the issue too closely, so when I read Dr. Hurd's article earlier this evening, I forwarded it without much thought. I got home to find that the bill had been passed.

While I don't think the Republicans employed good strategy here, I'm happy they won (or seem to have won).

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