babakjafarian

Mystic altruism and its future

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When Ayn Rand passed away in 1982, she witnessed two beginnings. One was the beginning of Soviet Union and Communism end, the other was the beginning of Islamic movements rise around the world. While “social altruism” was fading, “mystic altruism” was gaining momentum all around the world.

As she mentioned again and again, human being needs an objective and tangible final goal for this world and tries to reach it with her/his objective values. Social altruism failure was easy to measure because its final goal; better life for everyone in its society, was defined for this world and it failed miserably. What about mystic altruism? They suffer and failing even more, but because their final goal is not for this world and not measurable based on objective measures they keep going strong. Until we try to change the culture and individual knowledge in these societies, there is no hope for them to wake up. Like to hear your thoughts.

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Welcome to THE FORUM, Babak.

I would like to address the issues you raise, but I am not sure of what you are trying to say. You are using abstract terms that have specific meanings in an Objectivist context, but in an abstract and unusual way. I know English is not your first language and that may be part of the problem. Regardless, it would really help if you would define how you are using your terms and give many more concrete, specific examples.

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When Ayn Rand passed away in 1982, she witnessed two beginnings. One was the beginning of Soviet Union and Communism end, the other was the beginning of Islamic movements rise around the world. While “social altruism” was fading, “mystic altruism” was gaining momentum all around the world.

As she mentioned again and again, human being needs an objective and tangible final goal for this world and tries to reach it with her/his objective values. Social altruism failure was easy to measure because its final goal; better life for everyone in its society, was defined for this world and it failed miserably. What about mystic altruism? They suffer and failing even more, but because their final goal is not for this world and not measurable based on objective measures they keep going strong. Until we try to change the culture and individual knowledge in these societies, there is no hope for them to wake up. Like to hear your thoughts.

Not sure what you mean by 'social altruism' and 'mystic altruism.' There is altruism, socialism, and mysticism, which are distinctive political, ethical and epistemological principles.

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Sorry folks for the confusion; yes my English is not good J

After living in Iran and Europe for 30 years I found similarities in the way governments try to come up with excuses for their failures. In religion based collectivism (mystic altruism) you live for the sake of your brothers to suffer in the hope of better life after this one, but Western countries are the problem and make it impossible. In socialist Europe you are living for the sake of your brothers to suffer for a better society in this work but US capitalism makes it impossible. Same excuses for same problem; living for the sake of others!

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Sorry folks for the confusion; yes my English is not good J

After living in Iran and Europe for 30 years I found similarities in the way governments try to come up with excuses for their failures. In religion based collectivism (mystic altruism) you live for the sake of your brothers to suffer in the hope of better life after this one, but Western countries are the problem and make it impossible. In socialist Europe you are living for the sake of your brothers to suffer for a better society in this work but US capitalism makes it impossible. Same excuses for same problem; living for the sake of others!

Well that is what Objectivism is fighting; the idea that sacrifice is noble, or that Capitalism demands sacrifice. (Pure) Capitalism doesn't work with sacrifice.

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