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Islam and Tolerance

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As someone who was born in Iran and grown up in an Islamic country; I just want make it clear, up to 18th century and while Ottoman Empire was at its peak of power all non-Muslims were paying JAZEYEH (some sort of tax for non-Muslims while they are living in an Islamic land!) and had no right for high-office elections etc. During 18th century and while Ottoman Empire was falling apart and in general all around the world the concept of human rights and equality was gaining momentum, conflicts start all around the world. In reality, there was no period of time that Muslims and non-Muslims were living together in peace. It was a period that Muslims were masters and let the others lives among them as second-class citizen, but there was no time in history that they live in peace with nonbelievers as equal!

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...In reality, there was no period of time that Muslims and non-Muslims were living together in peace. It was a period that Muslims were masters and let the others lives among them as second-class citizen, but there was no time in history that they live in peace with nonbelievers as equal!

Yep. That is the Muslim concept of "peace." Submission to the will of a totalitarian Caliphate and the subjection of the infidel. And it was not just the tax, but the obligation incumbent on the tax collectors to humiliate and insult the payer of the Jizyah. They forced them to bow, kneel, slapped them in the face, etc., per the Koran, to show who was master and who the dirt under their feet. No Christian or Jew ("People of the Book") were allowed to make any repair to a synogogue or church and no new such edifice could be built, only mosques. Etc. Of course, most religions are self-glorifying, self-extolling -- the Yisgadal prayer for the dead is Judaism says absolutely nothing about the departed, but is even more loudly proclaiming the wonderfulness of God than any other of the bombastic canon. Christianity gives the repentant Christian a pass on all evil committed prior. But Islam stands tall as a body of rapacious, death-glorifying pronouncements that advocates the murder of the heathen, the subjugation of the infidel, the destruction of everything not Muslim. Only if the infidel is more powerful then they should pretend to cooperate, understanding that taqqiya -- lying in the cause of Allah -- is a virtue, which means lying to non-Muslim. No contract with a non-Muslim is effective for longer than convenient and a maximum of 7 years. Etc. Etc.

You make a good point that there was never a time of peace with Islam when Islam was in charge, except maybe the Abassid period, in the sense that the Caliphate engaged productively with non-Muslims. But they didn't last long and Islamic history remembers the violent, warmongering time after Al Gazali as the "Golden Age" of Islam, not the time of enlightenment and the famous development of mathematics. That period was incompatible with the martial period after and the light never shone again.

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You make a good point that there was never a time of peace with Islam when Islam was in charge, except maybe the Abassid period, in the sense that the Caliphate engaged productively with non-Muslims. But they didn't last long and Islamic history remembers the violent, warmongering time after Al Gazali as the "Golden Age" of Islam, not the time of enlightenment and the famous development of mathematics. That period was incompatible with the martial period after and the light never shone again.

The heart and bowels of Islam is the war against the dar al Harb (That is us).. The program is to convert the world until all Submit. Islam is not the religion of Peace. It is the religion of Submission. That is why faithful Muslims line themselves in rank and file formation and grovel in unison.

Like all Golden Ages, the Golden Age of Islam is long since past. The Muslims became collectively insane long about the 13 th century of the Common Era. Nothing has changed to improve the situation.

Jews on the other hand have (for the most part) learned to live among others, to be useful and productive. A prophet commanded the Jews when they were marched into Exile to Pray for the Peace of the City, build houses and have children, even in dispersal and captivity. Be positive, be alive, be ready for the opportunities. Jews have, through some rather tough circumstance learned how to live in the world and to be useful and productive (by and large). And when we drink (moderately, of course) what is our toast? L'Chayim. To Life.

Forgive me. My pro-Jewish inclinations are showing.

ruveyn

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