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Skyfall (2012)

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I was looking forward to Skyfall (007 Bond), but it disappointed.

This was really more like a war movie, from a ballistics standpoint; nothing cleaver, just lots of bullets, bombs...

The theme was generally dark - crusty old has-been(s) dealing with their comeuppances. And various bureaucrats. The last 3rd of the movie is literally dark.

Bond was rather rough and unsophisticated, not the polished Brit.

Q's role was a bit of a copy from a prior Bond (the evil Russian computer hacker). In fact, I think a lot of this is just a rehash: motorcycles running the roof of an old village, train fights, a rouge agent as the villein.

After sympathizing with a woman about her being trapped in the sex trade as a teen, he slithers into her shower.

One thing that really seems to be a vector shift is the constant engagement of the group. Everybody has earpieces which keep them in contact with MI5 and each other; there's less independent direction.

There's a cool throwback car and the music is reasonable.

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I was looking forward to Skyfall (007 Bond), but it disappointed.

This was really more like a war movie, from a ballistics standpoint; nothing cleaver, just lots of bullets, bombs...

The theme was generally dark - crusty old has-been(s) dealing with their comeuppances. And various bureaucrats. The last 3rd of the movie is literally dark.

Bond was rather rough and unsophisticated, not the polished Brit.

Q's role was a bit of a copy from a prior Bond (the evil Russian computer hacker). In fact, I think a lot of this is just a rehash: motorcycles running the roof of an old village, train fights, a rouge agent as the villein.

After sympathizing with a woman about her being trapped in the sex trade as a teen, he slithers into her shower.

One thing that really seems to be a vector shift is the constant engagement of the group. Everybody has earpieces which keep them in contact with MI5 and each other; there's less independent direction.

There's a cool throwback car and the music is reasonable.

The makers of the current Bond flick did a deliberate reversion toward Old Bond ala Sean Connery.

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The effects of so many action movies are so far fetched that I just can't stay with the fantasy that this is not supposed to be fantasy. I lose interest.

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Agents are supposed to look more like soldiers and less like diplomats. I cannot speak for MI6, but the members of the various French Service Action are recruited amongst paratroopers and marine commandos, not Cambridge graduates, because that is where you find people with the toughness to spend months behind enemy lines in occasionally harrowing conditions. I much prefer both Craig's Bond - a modern day SAS-turned-spook - and Sean Connery's - the absolute tough officer gentleman, perhaps similar to the legendary "Chesty" Puller who read 16 books on Korea between boarding his troop transport and arriving there - to Brosnan's new-rich wannabe "culture" (Brioni suits? really? Connery had the decency of a Row tailor as befits a British officer, and it costs the same), Moore's simply all-around ridiculous characters (a Bond in his 60s... yes, that's the spirit) and even Dalton's concerned policeman (although I did think his character was closer to a real life Bond, he did not have the daring playfulness of the original - this was just a standard action service officer).

I've watched them all, from the gentle humour of the originals to the ridiculous antics of the Moore era, to the toothpaste ad era. I agree with Arnold - the more time passes, the more the content of the movie is removed to give the public what they "want" - movie fast food. Whenever there is a touch of content, as in Casino Royale (said touch deftly removed for Quantum of Solace, a 1.5 hour ad for Omega watches) they somehow manage to display uncomfortably awkward values for a character whose story is the very definition of "good vs evil" (down to the eponymous Doctor). Where Casino Royale was masterly was in its depiction of Bond's crafting his values (a theme followed by the gradual build up of the famous theme until it resplendishes in the glorious gunning down of Mr White).

I have not watched Skyfall yet. Thank you for the advance warning.

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I have a complete Fleming collection and every biographical piece I have been able to find. Fleming always said he liked to think of Bond as a "blunt intstrument". He didn't write Bond as stupid and he did write Bond as having definite tastes and an attachment to certain aspects of the good life. Bond was just not a gentleman in the English class system sense. A good look at this is in the book I regard as the best, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service". Bond was dressed and coached to be Sir Hillary Bray, but halfway to Switzerland, couldn't stand the act and decided to be more himself. The Roger Moores and Pierce Brosons and even the Australian guy, George Lazenby, didn't get close to the Bond of the books, in my opinion.

There hasn't really been a good Bond movie since Goldfinger; Thunderball was close.

It disressed me that "they" stole the name "A Quantum of Solace" for the last movie. The title goes with a short story in the collection "For Your Eyes Only". That short story collection and the other, "Octopussy", are among the best writing Fleming did and seem to me to be almost Fleming ruminating on his creation's character, and there by that of his wartime generation.

As to the M - Bond relationship. the best places to see that are in For Your Eyes Only, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Moonraker. The Judy Dench M seems to go in and out of focus as a relationship with Bond.

I guess you could call me an enthusiast, eh? I'll go see it; I liked Craig in Casino Royale and it sounds like I did OK missing the other one. Wouldn't go on principle due to the title piracy; twasn't just right, you know?

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It was enjoyable. By and large I agree with Javier Bardem: "you live in a ruin, Mr Bond". It was a nice showcase of said ruins, physical and moral, the remnants of something once great, that collapsed because it gave evil a finger and evil ended up with the whole arm. A recent visit confirmed this feeling (they were very good at cleaning everything up in the movie, actually).

I just miss Connery, no matter how bad the special effects of the time. Dr No was scarier. Bardem was smart, but not a match for No's meticulous psychosis. I now see what Dan R meant by the lack of sophistication of the character.

"Moneypenny" seems to have been cast to meet PC requirements. She was terrible throughout.

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I enjoyed Skyfall very much. I thought it was one of the best Bond movies.

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