Stephen Speicher

Firefly (2002)

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Why the %&^*^&^% *&* didn't the Sci/Fi channel pick this up after FOX ditched it? Are they retarded?

VERY retarded. They dropped the ball on HEROES, which I can't watch now because it'son the same time as 24 on broadcast TV. Their original programming is nearly always dumbed down sf, and they even run a wrestling show. What the %&^*^&^% *&* does wrestling have to do with sf?

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VERY retarded. They dropped the ball on HEROES, which I can't watch now because it'son the same time as 24 on broadcast TV. Their original programming is nearly always dumbed down sf, and they even run a wrestling show. What the %&^*^&^% *&* does wrestling have to do with sf?

A few words to solve this problem: dual-tuner TiVo. :angry:

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Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Glad you liked it! It's great that you were introduced to the Firefly universe, although it's too bad you'd seen the movie first, as I'm a firm believer that those watching the series first will find the movie invariably astounding. I count myself one of the lucky few ones, when a friend introduced the series to me first, and then we went to see the movie, which left me thoroughly emotionally exhausted afterwards.

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Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

I saw the movie for this last year or before, thought it was a cool movie. Thanks to purusing the FORUM I found that it was a series first, so I rented the season. How the hell did this show get cancelled? I can't add anything more than what has already been said except to say I found it spectacular. And the cast has the best looking group of women assembled bar none. The companion is a goddess - no less.

I had been toying around with the idea of combining western and sci/fi probably about the same time this got cancelled (after I lost my head trying to combine all genres into a single book). The few people I mentioned it to thought it was a screwy idea, and here's this guy already doing it! Ha, gotta love that guy.

Great show.

A 10.

And a second wild question. Why the %&^*^&^% *&* didn't the Sci/Fi channel pick this up after FOX ditched it? Are they retarded?

Actually, SciFi did play it for a while. That was the first time I saw it. I am sure they still have it in reserve.

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Actually, SciFi did play it for a while. That was the first time I saw it. I am sure they still have it in reserve.

I meant pick it up as in buying the rights to the show and filming new episodes. Although I believe they did this with one of my favorites -Sliders- from the nineties, they hacked it to a quick death. The sci-fi channel is notorious for their caveman programming. No offense to present cavemen.

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I meant pick it up as in buying the rights to the show and filming new episodes. Although I believe they did this with one of my favorites -Sliders- from the nineties, they hacked it to a quick death. The sci-fi channel is notorious for their caveman programming. No offense to present cavemen.

I'm willing to forgive the Sci-Fi Network a lot in exchange for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis. (Eureka wasn't bad either; not deep, but light-hearted and fun.) Their mini-series The Lost Room was also a very pleasant surprise. I have absolutely nothing good to say about their original movies, though -- they're uniformly crap. It's like they're made by completely different people.

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I thought my fellow Firefly / Buffy / All-things-Joss-Whedon fans would get a kick out of these pics. What's a "Mii?" "A Mii is a personalized character that you can contort and tweak to look like a cartoony version of yourself - which you can play with in certain games. While we have most all of the IGN staff made up on the office Wii, we have been getting bored with our Miis recently… leading us to create our favorite characters from television."

Isn't fandom great? :lol:

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I'm willing to forgive the Sci-Fi Network a lot in exchange for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis. (Eureka wasn't bad either; not deep, but light-hearted and fun.) Their mini-series The Lost Room was also a very pleasant surprise. I have absolutely nothing good to say about their original movies, though -- they're uniformly crap. It's like they're made by completely different people.

My thoughts exactly. (I haven't seen The Lost Room though.) It would be radically better for them to fire the people making that junk and use it instead to fund ideas from Joss Whelan or J. Michael Straczynski or a few other such creative luminaries.

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My thoughts exactly. (I haven't seen The Lost Room though.) It would be radically better for them to fire the people making that junk and use it instead to fund ideas from Joss Whelan or J. Michael Straczynski or a few other such creative luminaries.

I assume Battlestar Galactica only airs on Sci Fi, it isn't produced by the channel? If so, that certainly accounts for its quality!

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I assume Battlestar Galactica only airs on Sci Fi, it isn't produced by the channel? If so, that certainly accounts for its quality!

According to a Wikipedia article, the SciFi channel funded the production of the series, but, at least as I read it, it's a separate production company.

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I thought my fellow Firefly / Buffy / All-things-Joss-Whedon fans would get a kick out of these pics. What's a "Mii?" "A Mii is a personalized character that you can contort and tweak to look like a cartoony version of yourself - which you can play with in certain games. While we have most all of the IGN staff made up on the office Wii, we have been getting bored with our Miis recently… leading us to create our favorite characters from television."

Isn't fandom great? :lol:

We have a Wii. That Capt. Mal doesn't look that very confident. The River Mii is spot on, though. She looks scary.

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I just noticed this review and wanted to add my thoughts. Firefly is one of my favorite shows of all time. The theme song gives me chills, I love it. The series was recommended to me after it was cancelled, and while repeats were being played on the SciFi channel. I am embarrassed to say that I did see the pilot when it originally aired, but I didn't follow it afterward. The first episode FOX aired was "The Train Job", which was not the original and didn't introduce the story or the characters. I thought the mix of sci fi and western was clever, and it looked like a fun show, but I didn't fall in love with it until after it was gone.

I rated the show a '10' because it has such a great sense of life, mixed with great writing, acting, and very clever humor. The characters are larger than life and it really is a touching story. Also as a minor point, I have such a crush on Kaylee. :P

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I am embarrassed to say that I did see the pilot when it originally aired, but I didn't follow it afterward.

That can happen. The first I knew about Stargate SG-1 was by catching part of the original movie. I stopped watching in disgust early on because of some absurd mechanical pointer tracking somebody's interstellar progress. Only later, after watching an episode of the TV series, did I find that I really enjoyed them, then went back and liked the original movie as well.

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What's legal about it?

Personally, I'd love to just pay for shows like this. Every truly great movie that's come out today, I make my best effort to buy.

Likewise. My friends simply cannot grasp why I decline pirate DVD's of movies.

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What's legal about it?

Personally, I'd love to just pay for shows like this. Every truly great movie that's come out today, I make my best effort to buy.

I've never seen hulu.com before. I checked on the site. As far as I can tell, this is a legitimate, advertising-supported, commercial venture. According to their About page:
Hulu was founded in March 2007 and is a joint venture owned by NBC Universal and News Corp.

It's not a BitTorrent peer-to-peer pirated content sight, from what I've seen. They show TV and movie content with brief commercials, mostly trailers of upcoming movies and TV shows. I can't tell from the site what they are paying for licensed material, if, for example, it includes residuals to performers and such, but it looks like a legitimate marketing/advertising website for the industry. This may be part of the web content dispute that the writers have allegedly resolved. Hard to say.

Hulu's goal is to bring you as much Content as is legally available. That said, we are limited by the rights that our content licensors grant to us. Using technologies to access the Content from territories where Hulu does not have rights is prohibited.

So, it appears that what's on here is legal. But I agree wholeheartedly with Free Capitalist and have bought every series that I love enough to watch beyond one or two episodes. I love to support brilliant creators and I want my viewing in the best possible quality and availability. In fact, in the case of Firefly, I have two, one with me at my out-of-town contract and one back home (fans will understand :) ). I've bought all 7 seasons of Buffy. I'm happy to find Hulu, since I may be able to watch things I already own but don't have with me here.

I think they've intentionally made it unsatisfactory enough, with commercial interruptions and bandwidth limitations, that it is more of a 'free sample' service than a means of avoiding purchase, but I'm sure many will avoid purchasing content no matter what -- I wouldn't expect many of those on this Forum.

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I think they've intentionally made it unsatisfactory enough, with commercial interruptions and bandwidth limitations, that it is more of a 'free sample' service than a means of avoiding purchase, but I'm sure many will avoid purchasing content no matter what -- I wouldn't expect many of those on this Forum.

I found the quality to be excellent and the commercial interruptions to be minimal (4 sets of 15 to 30 second commercials per episode).

I am not sure if the quote above was meant as a dig to me, but that is how I took it. Hulu is owned by the companies that own or have license to the content. Anything shown there is as if it were shown on television. Firefly is a good show but not one that I value highly enough to purchase on DVD. If the owners/licensees want to show it on the internet and are compensated by commercial advertisement, who exactly is harmed?

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I think they've intentionally made it unsatisfactory enough, with commercial interruptions and bandwidth limitations, that it is more of a 'free sample' service than a means of avoiding purchase, but I'm sure many will avoid purchasing content no matter what -- I wouldn't expect many of those on this Forum.

I am not sure if the quote above was meant as a dig to me, but that is how I took it. Hulu is owned by the companies that own or have license to the content. Anything shown there is as if it were shown on television. Firefly is a good show but not one that I value highly enough to purchase on DVD. If the owners/licensees want to show it on the internet and are compensated by commercial advertisement, who exactly is harmed?

No dig intended. My point was that an Objectivist forum is unlikely to contain many people who would intentionally steal intellectual property, which I thought was a possible implication of a post I was responding to, and I completely agree with your point that this is a legitimate, licensed website, according to their disclosures and methodology. That was the main point of my post.

And taste in art is personal and you have every right to value 'Firefly' or any other work of art in any way you so choose. We all do. I happen to think it's one of the best examples of TV writing there is, although it was not allowed to reach anywhere near its full potential and 'Serenity', to me, was enjoyable, but not a great success.

Whedon is at his best in an extended form, telling his stories over time, allowing the extended arcs of multiple characters to be fully explored, while deepening and intensifying the involvement in the story. 'Serenity' was a 2 hour roller coaster ride in comparison, dispensing with characters and dialing down the focus to a single story and 2 of the main characters (River and Mal), a necessity of the movie form, as compared to TV, but not the best outlet for the particular strengths of Whedon's extraodinary writing talent.

The quality on Hulu is not bad, my point is that -- IF someone likes a piece enough to buy it -- the DVD quality and lack of interruption (as well as the additional content often added in) is far superior. But, of course, broadband is continually closing the gap.

Again: You were not being dug. Don't look for criticism where it isn't intended. I certainly say what I think when it's warranted. It's the opposite: I'd like to thank you again for bringing Hulu to my attention. A good thing to know about. I found Titan A.E. on there, which I've never seen, and started watching it. Very cool.

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I've found that the most gratifying way of watching Firefly is to do so while substituting the word "reaver" with "socialist".

Example from the episode "Bushwhacked":

JAYNE

Socialists ain't men.

BOOK

Of course they are. Too long removed from

civilization, perhaps -- but men. And I believe

there's a power greater than men. A power

that heals.

MAL

Socialists might take issue with that philosophy.

If they had a philosophy. And if they weren't

too busy gnawing on your insides.

Jayne's right. Socialists ain't men. Or they

forgot how to be. Now they're just... nothing.

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After I watched Firefly through the first time, I watched the entire series two more times in the next two weeks. I experienced such a pain and longing for it to continue that I'm almost embarassed to admit how depressed it made me. That one season of Firefly is one of the best single seasons of television ever made. I hold out a fool's hope that it'll come back. As far as I know, the set still exists intact, Summer Glau's show 'Sarah Connor Chronicles' has been moved to the Friday night morgue and people are seriously doubting that Whedon can get 'Dollhouse' to really take off. Jewel Staithe has been on Stargate: Atlantis which is either cancelled by now or in its final season. The original cast, basically, seems like they could all be free soon. If Firefly is going to come back its going to be in the next couple years. As a good Browncoat, I've lent out my season of Firefly to anyone I can get to watch it and convert them into fans, thus sowing the seeds of success for Firefly's hopeful return.

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After I watched Firefly through the first time, I watched the entire series two more times in the next two weeks. I experienced such a pain and longing for it to continue that I'm almost embarassed to admit how depressed it made me. That one season of Firefly is one of the best single seasons of television ever made.

It seems that I re-watch the whole series every couple of months. I'm inspired enough by it that every time I watch I not-unseriously consider shrugging off our ever more Alliance-like nation (not to mention the rest of the world), buying a truck of some sort, and becoming a freelance supply "ship."

I'd be surprised to see Firefly's return, though. I think Joss Whedon closed the book on it with Serenity. That's a shame.

BTW, anyone who's seen the episode Out of Gas will remember the red button Wash set up so that Mal could call the shuttles back to the ship (I won't say more so as not to give too much away). When the show got cancelled, Alan Tudyk (who plays Wash) swiped that button off the set and gave it to Whedon, telling him, "When you get your miracle," meaning a revival of the show, "press that and we'll all come running." I like to imagine that button still sitting somewhere in Whedon's office. :lol:

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BTW, anyone who's seen the episode Out of Gas will remember the red button Wash set up so that Mal could call the shuttles back to the ship (I won't say more so as not to give too much away). When the show got cancelled, Alan Tudyk (who plays Wash) swiped that button off the set and gave it to Whedon, telling him, "When you get your miracle," meaning a revival of the show, "press that and we'll all come running." I like to imagine that button still sitting somewhere in Whedon's office. :lol:

That wouldn't surprise me!

I agree that it's very unlikely the series will be revived. Whedon said after its cancellation that he was thinking about made for DVD episodes to bypass the networks, but I'm betting we would have heard something more about that by now if it made it past the "what if" planning stage.

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I was hooked on Firefly from the moment I saw the trailer. That was with special friends, old and new, in a beach house we rented on Cape Hatteras over Thanksgiving weekend. They are all rabid Joss Whedon fans, and they were more than happy to convert me. We saw the first six or so episodes in order, thus combining Thanksgiving with a Firefly party. I then saw the rest, in order, with a borrowed DVD. I have seen many of the episodes many times. This is the best season of TV I have ever seen.

I just saw Serenity on Monday night, at a party with some of the same friends from the Outer Banks. Again, fantastic!

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Oh, BTW, was that a picture of Ayn Rand on Jayne's t-shirt near the end, when he is standing on top of Serenity as the crew is repairing it?

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