Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post Here is a link for the recent Channel 4/BBC documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post Here is a link for the recent Channel 4/BBC documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle.As a companion piece, here is a report on the latest scare screed: Warming Report to Warn of Coming Draught Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post Here is a link for the recent Channel 4/BBC documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle.I only watched the opening few minutes (I don't have the time now to watch the whole show), but that this was made by the BBC and broadcast in Canada is remarkable. Why do we not see this on TV in the United States? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post Here is a link for the recent Channel 4/BBC documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle.As far as I can tell, the BBC had nothing to do with it. The documentary was produced by a private company and run on Channel 4, a private TV station in the UK. For more information on the film and Channel 4, click here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post As far as I can tell, the BBC had nothing to do with it. The documentary was produced by a private company and run on Channel 4, a private TV station in the UK. For more information on the film and Channel 4, click here.Aha, that explains a lot. I didn't know that private TV stations were even allowed in the UK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post As far as I can tell, the BBC had nothing to do with it. The documentary was produced by a private company and run on Channel 4, a private TV station in the UK. For more information on the film and Channel 4, click here.I stand corrected . . . when I hear of Channel 4 I immediately associate it with BBC 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post I only watched the opening few minutes (I don't have the time now to watch the whole show), but that this was made by the BBC and broadcast in Canada is remarkable. Why do we not see this on TV in the United States?Perhaps it will be aired in the US, but I'm tempted to resist holding my breath for that to happen . . . at least for the time being. What's great about those Google Videos is that one can DOWNLOAD them, assuming one's PC or Laptop has sufficient memory to do so (the file is over 500mb).I had just enough room! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post What's great about those Google Videos is that one can DOWNLOAD them, assuming one's PC or Laptop has sufficient memory to do so (the file is over 500mb).I had just enough room!Then burn it to a DVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 Mar 2007 · Report post I couldn't find a way to download the actual video to my computer so I did some Googling. If you want to get the actual .FLV or .AVI files behind a Google video, you can use e.g. this site:http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.phpwhich lets you enter the Google (or apparently a number of other such sites) video URL and it returns links that let you get at the underlying video data directly for download. This seems like a harmless hack to get at free videos, so I'm giving it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 Mar 2007 · Report post I want to thank Vespasiano for posting the link to this film. It's a brilliantly done refutation of the Global Warming nonsense that uses real science and interviews many top scientists and important individuals (important in this context, e.g. one of the original co-founders of Greenpeace openly, and negatively, identifying environmentalists as anti-man!). I've put a link to it on environmentalism.com. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 Mar 2007 · Report post And now there are death threats against those in the video who spoke out against global warming.From The Daily Telegraph.Scientists threatened for 'climate denial'By Tom Harper, Sunday TelegraphLast Updated: 12:24am GMT 11/03/2007Scientists who questioned mankind's impact on climate change have received death threats and claim to have been shunned by the scientific community.They say the debate on global warming has been "hijacked" by a powerful alliance of politicians, scientists and environmentalists who have stifled all questioning about the true environmental impact of carbon dioxide emissions.Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change.One of the emails warned that, if he continued to speak out, he would not live to see further global warming."Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened," said the professor."I can tolerate being called a sceptic because all scientists should be sceptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal."Last week, Professor Ball appeared in The Great Global Warming Swindle, a Channel 4 documentary in which several scientists claimed the theory of man-made global warming had become a "religion", forcing alternative explanations to be ignored.Richard Lindzen, the professor of Atmospheric Science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology - who also appeared on the documentary - recently claimed: "Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves labelled as industry stooges."Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science."Dr Myles Allen, from Oxford University, agreed. He said: "The Green movement has hijacked the issue of climate change. It is ludicrous to suggest the only way to deal with the problem is to start micro managing everyone, which is what environmentalists seem to want to do."Nigel Calder, a former editor of New Scientist, said: "Governments are trying to achieve unanimity by stifling any scientist who disagrees. Einstein could not have got funding under the present system."(Bold added)Are these Global Warming Fatwas? Is this worse than the abortion fanatics? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 Mar 2007 · Report post I am not surprised with the death threats. I remember reading that the author of the skeptical environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg received death threats from people after writing his book, and he was once part of Greenpeace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 Mar 2007 · Report post Thanks for pointing out this movie, I watched it tonight on youtube and it was great. There are no arguments from authority, demands for obedience, or pictures of dying polar bears. This movie just presents the facts in a very easy-to-understand manner. I'd really recommend showing this movie to anybody you may discuss global warming with.It actually makes me want to watch Gore's Inconvenient Truth now, just to see how Gore tries to explain away the facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I like it how at the end the ex-greenpeace co-founder pinned Environmentalism as anti-human. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I like it how at the end the ex-greenpeace co-founder pinned Environmentalism as anti-human.I've only watched a few minutes and it's already impressive for the amount of information provided. One of the more interesting tidbits right up front is the quick quote from someone identified as a Lead Author, IPCC.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...Warming+SwindleI predict a rapid and precipitous drop in the Global Warming hysteria temperature within the next year or so.Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I predict a rapid and precipitous drop in the Global Warming hysteria temperature within the next year or so.I truly hope you are right, but, regardless, I would be interested in learning of the basis for your prediction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post For anyone who is not up to speed on global warming, or even if you have a fair bit of knowledge on it, you should watch this. It will inform you mightily. It's chock-full of high powered, outspoken scientists and experts who make essential points that blow the whole GW scare out of the water. 75 minutes of your time will be wisely spent and allow you to much more effectively deal with GW propagandists. I think the two biggest points were:1> There is a reverse correlation between CO2 levels and global temperatures. There is an 800 year lag! between the rise of temperature and the rise of CO2 levels. The lag is caused by the ocean, which changes very slowly. CO2 is not the cause of temperature fluctuations. This kills the CO2 theory.2> There is a strong correlation between sun spot activity and global temperatures. This appears to be the biggest cause of global temperature fluctuations.Since the link above is dead, here is a youtube link to the video: The Great Global Warming Swindle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I wonder why the video is no longer available on Google. . . Just asking . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I wonder why the video is no longer available on Google. . . Just asking . . .Considering this thread on Google's activities that Paul started, and the many subsequent complaints of leftist-leaning decisions by Google, yours is a perfectly valid question to ask. Perhaps the demand for viewing is so high that the video is not available most of the time, or perhaps it has been pulled. Does anyone if the Google message "We're sorry, but this video may not be available" applies to either of the two above scenarios, or does it have some other meaning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post Perhaps the demand for viewing is so high that the video is not available most of the time, or perhaps it has been pulled. Does anyone if the Google message "We're sorry, but this video may not be available" applies to either of the two above scenarios, or does it have some other meaning?Another possibility: copyright infringement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post I truly hope you are right, but, regardless, I would be interested in learning of the basis for your prediction.Stephen,I try to avoid smiley faces, but my statement was intended (as I'd hoped would be clear from the language) largely as black humor. However, if extended to 20 years, I would stand by it. There are several reasons, but these are major ones:The viro hysterics have tried Alar, acid rain, and a number of campaigns to taint modern civilization. With global warming they have upped the ante as high as it can get. When, as will become obvious over the coming years, people generally see that their views are false, without foundation, and motivated not by concern for the future welfare of humans but in fact opposed to it, their movement will suffer a credibility hit from which it won't recover. Further, at the same time pro-reason philosophy is on the rise and has been for several years. Substantial improvements in the culture have been taking place over the past few years, after a kind of mini-Dark Ages starting about (though the roots go much farther back) 1967. I foresee that trend continuing as pro-reason, pro-human philosophies continue to rise in popularity. That this is happening is reflected in many existential ways that I've outlined elsewhere. (Reference on request.)That's a very brief answer, but it should give you some idea of my basis for my belief.Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Mar 2007 · Report post By the way, I finished watching the entire documentary and (despite some minor flaws in organization) thought it was outstanding. Clear, understandable, and -- to any honest observer -- irrefutable.I highly recommend it. I rarely purchase such things, but if need be I would pay money to own it.I'll be recommending it as widely as possible, and writing about it in various places such as eTalkinghead.com in the near future.Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 Mar 2007 · Report post I wonder why the video is no longer available on Google. . .It's still there, just do a search: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+...warming+swindle-Tom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 Mar 2007 · Report post Another possibility: copyright infringement?Sometimes, web pages that I link to on environmentalism.com get removed or deleted. I do get some hits on the site and it's probably become known to at least some viros who want to undercut the message. I linked to the version that was mentioned here, which is now apparently gone. However, I've put in another link which simply does a search for the name of the documentary on Google video, so unless they manage to kill all of the copies, it'll still point in the right direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 15 Mar 2007 · Report post And now there are death threats against those in the video who spoke out against global warming.From The Daily Telegraph.Scientists threatened for 'climate denial'...Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change.Dr. Ball was interviewed on Hannity and Colmes on Fox TV tonight on this issue. Colnes (the liberal) introduced him as a "skeptic of the science", as if he doubted science itself, but at least denounced the death threats. Ball had to waste time defending his "credentials" for his right to speak on the subject, but he did an excellent job. He turned it around not only demonstrating his "credentials" but also showed how such personal attacks are used as a distraction from substance. Overall, his rational and informed demeanor helped the scientific seriousness of his position in contrast to the viro climate hysteria. No wonder the viros want to knock him off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites