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Not dangerous until he's voted into office. The real question to me is whether America has disintegrated to the point that it would do so. We'll know before long.

The one hope I have is that McCain will be strong enough on foreign policy (at least by contrast) to force clarity into the debate. Kerry's weakness (as a debator), is that he was totally ignorant on foreign policy and had no solutions to Islamic terrorism. Obama is even worse, because he isn't just a pacifist, but supports our enemies. As long as McCain can put Obama on the defensive, I think we'll be ok.

Also, there's universal healthcare. McCain is not good on this issue, but if can focus on criticizing socialized medicine then again we have a good chance of pulling through. Even a bumbling idiot can make a case against socialized medicine by using a few facts from countries that actually have such a system. Just ask people if they want to see the doctor when they need a doctor, or when a bureaucrat gives them permission.

Of course the Democrats have two ways in. One way is environmentalism. McCain will lose that battle, because he agrees with their premises and is the less consistent of the two possible candidates. Also, the Democrats will win if they know how to use Iraq. Yes, you can argue that the media has distorted conditions on the ground, that things are better than they were. However, there's no whitewashing the fact that 5 years out, we have committed billions of dollars and American lives and it's not clear that it's going to make us any safer. If McCain fails to own this issue and push Obama (or Hilary for that matter) on what they will do to win, then people will only see that the Republicans have fouled thing up and want a change in parties.

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I'm starting to get that sense as well, especially after Priest Pfleger came into the public eye in such infamous fashion. Pfleger is a thug. He threatened to "snuff out" a gun store owner and hunt him down like a "rat". This is Obama's friend, a man he gave $100,000 for some sort of a youth program. Postmodernists, remember, are anti-reason. So, we have a horrible concoction brewing with Obama: racism directed primarily toward whites, anti-Americanism, socialism, environmentalism, anti-individualism, endless deception, strong altruism, lust for power and disregard for people around him.

His friends are by-and-large evil and his church is evil.

This is not good stuff, this is dangerous as hell and a move in a very bad direction.

I think you are exaggerating the risk. Remember, lots of people made the same predictions when Bill Clinton was elected. He couldn't get much accomplished in his first two years (despite all his supposed political savvy), and wound up spending the next 6 years triangulating with the growing GOP opposition that he helped fuel. Obama may well have the same issues. 2010 could bring a resurgent GOP to act as an effective counterweight (exactly what happened in 1994). For all we know, Hillary would be plotting her revenge from the Senate and actively stonewalling Obama in the meantime.

As for Pfleger, you worry too much. He's pretty much contained within his parish, and has basically struck a deal with the archdiocese to stay there as long as he wants (which probably suits everyone involved best). He's a well-known rabble rouser who is good for getting his name in the local news (usually with Jesse Jackson), but not actually getting much accomplished (e.g. the whole gun store flap - it's still in business and doing quite well). As I noted before, I wouldn't be surprised if Pfleger, Wright, et. al aren't quietly worried about what an Obama presidency would do for their business.

Given how Clinton supporters left today's Rules and Bylaws committee meeting in a huff, it's quite possible we'll see Obama lose a close race in the fall, and Clinton get the blame within the party. It could be a good result.

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I think you are exaggerating the risk.

What I'm doing, KPO'M, is taking ideas seriously. Ideas are what matter here.

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I think you are exaggerating the risk.

What I'm doing, KPO'M, is taking ideas seriously. Ideas are what matter here.

All three candidates have bad ideas, as has been discussed before. McCain called his wife the C-word in front of three reporters back in 1992. He's obviously someone controlled by his emotions, which isn't a good thing, either. 2008 is presenting us a choice between a candidate who is calm and collected, and thinks with his brain who, unfortunately, has a lot of collectivist ideas, and a candidate who has fewer collectivist ideas (still too much, but noticeably less), but who lets his emotions get the better of him. I grant he's probably a better choice than Obama, particularly since a large Democratic majority is probable in both houses of Congress, but worry that his temper will undermine his foreign policy. As I indicated elsewhere, McCain needs a Martin van Buren as his VP before I'll be comfortable with him.

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GOOD SLOGAN:

from http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/16/bi...d-trade-center/ :

One billboard up in Mandville, La., reads:
“A taxpayer voting for Barack Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.”

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