Fitna

[piz 0]

Find the film here. I just watched it, and it's excellent. It's just short of 17 minutes long.

[egochick 0]

I'd like to say that I was shocked by the atrocity and graphic violence, but I'm not. It made me cry and scream in horror, but now I wonder what it would take to arrange a screening on campus. Maybe during Islam Awareness week/month whenever that might be.

[JRoberts 0]

This is one of the greatest films I have seen-great because it is honest, it is real, and it is unapologetic. I have already emailed it to EVERYBODY I know. I encourage all to do the same.

[Bill Bucko 0]

I watched it at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Video: Geert Wilders' 'Fitna'

Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:13:47 pm PDT

Here it is, the film by Dutch MP Geert Wilders that caused a worldwide uproar before anyone had seen a single frame: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders’ film about the Quran (English).

Notable:

quotes from the Koran commanding violence against unbelievers

footage of Muslim mothers having their children gash their faces with knives, to honor their prophet

footage of Palestinian 3 year old saying: "Jews are apes and pigs"

"God bless Hitler"

"take over the UK; take over the US; take over the world."

official Saudi TV: "their throats must be slit"

a beheading

The filmmaker concludes:

"Stop Islamisation

Defend our freedom"

Bravo.

[Alon Tsin 0]

A very important movie, as it fearlessly addresses most of the points that make Islam the danger of out times.

I will also send the movie to everyone I know.

[piz 0]

a beheading

Wilders edits the video of the beheading, though not the audio. I saw the original, uncut video shortly after it first appeared on the net. The monster who read the apparent "proclamation" pushes the man to the ground, then saws through his neck with a long knife. All that is left to the innocent man, all that remains of him at that moment, is to emit the horrifying sounds you hear in Wilders's video as he endures unimaginable terror, knowing what is happening to him, knowing he has done nothing to deserve the torture, knowing there is nothing he can do, and knowing that he will cease to exist at the end of the hideously eternal few moments the butchery lasts.

To this day I'm not able to find words to convey my reaction. Horror, revulsion, fear, fury - these are just a few terms that skim the surface of the torrent of powerful emotions coursing through me as I watched. The memory still haunts me, and Wilders refreshed it. I am grateful that he did, because, witnessing naked, scalding evil again, I reaffirmed my resolve to do whatever is within my power to destory the abomination that is Islam.

[JRoberts 0]

To this day I'm not able to find words to convey my reaction. Horror, revulsion, fear, fury - these are just a few terms that skim the surface of the torrent of powerful emotions coursing through me as I watched. The memory still haunts me, and Wilders refreshed it. I am grateful that he did, because, witnessing naked, scalding evil again, I reaffirmed my resolve to do whatever is within my power to destory the abomination that is Islam.

Amen! How I long for the day that we will nuke Mecca, and in its rubble build a mega-mall with Abercrombie and Fitch, McDonalds, Wal-Marts, Apple Stores, Saks, etc. And on top of their holiest temple, the crescent should be thrown off and in its place waving proudly the American Flag.

[Vespasiano 0]

This is an excellent, though horrifying, film and an equally excellent indictment of Islam through its own words for which I am grateful.

No surprisingly, the UN's head is condemning the film as anti-Islamic (read the story here).

Duh?

In condemning the film, Ban Ki-moon is quoted as saying ""There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence."

Duh?

The only hate speech or incitements to violence in this film come directly from the mouths of Muslims and the words of the Qu'ran. If Mr. Ban meant what he is saying -- or understood the significance of his own words -- he would be condemning the ideas of Islam as exposed in the film, and not Geert Wilders.

[Vespasiano 0]

I should also point out that in a revolting demonstration of dhimmitude, LIVELEAKS, the site for Piz's original reference, has removed Fitna due to threats of violence.

Read the statement here.

[Alon Tsin 0]

I should also point out that in a revolting demonstration of dhimmitude, LIVELEAKS, the site for Piz's original reference, has removed Fitna due to threats of violence.

Read the statement here.

However, the movie is already all over the internet' so although it is sad, but it doesn't matter.

[Betsy Speicher 0]

I should also point out that in a revolting demonstration of dhimmitude, LIVELEAKS, the site for Piz's original reference, has removed Fitna due to threats of violence.

Read the statement here.

I can't. When you go to the web site now, all you see is "This Account Has Been Suspended."

[piz 0]

I should also point out that in a revolting demonstration of dhimmitude, LIVELEAKS, the site for Piz's original reference, has removed Fitna due to threats of violence.

Read the statement here.

A page comes up at that link saying that the account has been suspended. Cowards.

[RayK 0]

I should also point out that in a revolting demonstration of dhimmitude, LIVELEAKS, the site for Piz's original reference, has removed Fitna due to threats of violence.

Read the statement here.

A page comes up at that link saying that the account has been suspended. Cowards.

They difinetly are cowards. Not one life, not one limb, not one sword nor gun, but they already gave in. So, they are willing to stand up for free speech until someone stands up against them, pitiful. What did they expect, applause from the enemy?

[Thales 0]

This is an excellent, though horrifying, film and an equally excellent indictment of Islam through its own words for which I am grateful.

No surprisingly, the UN's head is condemning the film as anti-Islamic (read the story here).

Duh?

In condemning the film, Ban Ki-moon is quoted as saying ""There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence."

Duh?

The only hate speech or incitements to violence in this film come directly from the mouths of Muslims and the words of the Qu'ran. If Mr. Ban meant what he is saying -- or understood the significance of his own words -- he would be condemning the ideas of Islam as exposed in the film, and not Geert Wilders.

I really think the term "hate speech" is an anti-concept. It's perfectly legitimate to hate certain things. I can hate communists. I can hate islamo-fascists. It's completely logical.

[Vespasiano 0]

Pat Dollard is maintaining the Fitna video at his site. He and some of his UK posters also provide some updates with respect to LifeLeak's chief guy.

[piz 0]

I found another location of the video, in two parts. Let's see how long it remains available there.

[Betsy Speicher 0]

I found another location of the video, in two parts. Let's see how long it remains available there.

It has also been posted to YouTube hundreds of times (here).

[egochick 0]

It is also available on Google Video. It's also on the Pirate Bay. Currently, the seed/leech ratio is about 520/70, so you should get a decent download. I seed that torrent whenever I'm connected to the internet as well.

While any particular company may cave in to the demands of terrorists, it's damn near impossible to remove something from torrents.

[Tito 0]

To this day I'm not able to find words to convey my reaction. Horror, revulsion, fear, fury - these are just a few terms that skim the surface of the torrent of powerful emotions coursing through me as I watched. The memory still haunts me, and Wilders refreshed it. I am grateful that he did, because, witnessing naked, scalding evil again, I reaffirmed my resolve to do whatever is within my power to destory the abomination that is Islam.

Amen! How I long for the day that we will nuke Mecca, and in its rubble build a mega-mall with Abercrombie and Fitch, McDonalds, Wal-Marts, Apple Stores, Saks, etc. And on top of their holiest temple, the crescent should be thrown off and in its place waving proudly the American Flag.

That seems a little harsh on the innocents.

[Alon Tsin 0]

To this day I'm not able to find words to convey my reaction. Horror, revulsion, fear, fury - these are just a few terms that skim the surface of the torrent of powerful emotions coursing through me as I watched. The memory still haunts me, and Wilders refreshed it. I am grateful that he did, because, witnessing naked, scalding evil again, I reaffirmed my resolve to do whatever is within my power to destory the abomination that is Islam.

Amen! How I long for the day that we will nuke Mecca, and in its rubble build a mega-mall with Abercrombie and Fitch, McDonalds, Wal-Marts, Apple Stores, Saks, etc. And on top of their holiest temple, the crescent should be thrown off and in its place waving proudly the American Flag.

That seems a little harsh on the innocents.

What innocents do you mean?

The innocents that celebrated the fall of the towers on 9/11 ? The innocents that chant "Death to the USA, Death to Israel?

The innocents that hang people because they are gay, and beat up women because they show their face? The innocents that proclaim their only wish in life is for their son to be a martyr and kill civilians?

There are no innocents under a dictatorship.

[Tito 0]

To this day I'm not able to find words to convey my reaction. Horror, revulsion, fear, fury - these are just a few terms that skim the surface of the torrent of powerful emotions coursing through me as I watched. The memory still haunts me, and Wilders refreshed it. I am grateful that he did, because, witnessing naked, scalding evil again, I reaffirmed my resolve to do whatever is within my power to destory the abomination that is Islam.

Amen! How I long for the day that we will nuke Mecca, and in its rubble build a mega-mall with Abercrombie and Fitch, McDonalds, Wal-Marts, Apple Stores, Saks, etc. And on top of their holiest temple, the crescent should be thrown off and in its place waving proudly the American Flag.

That seems a little harsh on the innocents.

What innocents do you mean?

The innocents that celebrated the fall of the towers on 9/11 ? The innocents that chant "Death to the USA, Death to Israel?

The innocents that hang people because they are gay, and beat up women because they show their face? The innocents that proclaim their only wish in life is for their son to be a martyr and kill civilians?

There are no innocents under a dictatorship.

The innocents who want nothing but to live in peace, who perhaps get themselves locked up for worshiping a teapot?

What if Russia had been nuked before Ayn Rand had emigrated?

[JRoberts 0]

That seems a little harsh on the innocents.

There are no innocents in war. There are no innocents in a dictatorship (like Alon said). There are people that we would prefer NOT to kill (why kill a child versus an armed militant or a woman at a production factory producing bombs?). But that doesn't mean that it is immoral or wrong for us to do so. A sad but true fact about war is that the only way to win war is to utterly destroy the pride of the enemy. And sometimes, the only way to destroy an enemies pride is to totally destroy the source of their pride and humiliate them with one's one superiority. Mecca is the source of Islamic pride. McDonalds is the source of their rage. Destroy their pride and humiliate them with our freedom, capitalism, and military might.

[JRoberts 0]

The innocents who want nothing but to live in peace, who perhaps get themselves locked up for worshiping a teapot?

What if Russia had been nuked before Ayn Rand had emigrated?

Those who are arrested or trying to flee and who die by us is not our moral fault, but the moral fault of the dictatorship. If we had gone to war with the Soviets, and had Ayn Rand tragically died, it would not have been our fault or our moral problem, but rather all fault and blame would have been placed on the immoral dictatorship that caused such a hideous action.

[bborg 0]

The innocents who want nothing but to live in peace, who perhaps get themselves locked up for worshiping a teapot?

What if Russia had been nuked before Ayn Rand had emigrated?

It’s not right to hold the mere potentiality of such individuals above our right to self-defense. While the military should not engage in needless violence, the primary goal is the defeat of the enemy, which means their complete surrender and cessation of hostilities. Whatever military means are necessary to accomplish that goal, even if they result in the deaths of innocents within enemy territory, are moral by virtue of protecting our right to exist.

Furthermore, to sacrifice that right in order to protect innocents would not only be sacrificing lives in the West (as it extends the war against us) but also betrays the very values you argue those innocents could later create. If we fail to defend reason and individualism against this Islamic totalitarianism, then such people are doomed anyway.

I don't know if nukes are the answer. I would hope that due to the technological gulf between the two cultures, we could get a way with using something less devastating. However if they are the only sure way to end this war, then that makes them moral.

[Tito 0]

I see. I'm afraid my problem is that I haven't come to terms with it being a war, which is probably a mistake, I should give the middle eastern situation a lot more thought.

How do Ayn Rand's anti-war comments fit into the whole situation?

Statism—in fact and in principle—is nothing more than gang rule. A dictatorship is a gang devoted to looting the effort of the productive citizens of its own country. When a statist ruler exhausts his own country's economy, he attacks his neighbors. It is his only means of postponing internal collapse and prolonging his rule. A country that violates the rights of its own citizens, will not respect the rights of its neighbors. Those who do not recognize individual rights, will not recognize the rights of nations: a nation is only a number of individuals.

Statism needs war; a free country does not. Statism survives by looting; a free country survives by production.

Are they really enough of a threat to justify a nuclear attack? I am sorry that I am so uninformed on this.