Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
PrimeMover

My Book

12 posts in this topic

I'm writing a novel. It's set about 50-75 years in the future - an enormous super-state has seized control of everything except north and south American, and most of Africa. It's a state that's on it's way between a transition from Orwell's Oceania and Rand's "We" state. The story is about

The revolution against the state. A small group of high-schoolers led by the protaganist rebel against the state when they see that their lives are days away from ending. The group leaves the city, which (along with ever other city in the empire) has been completely and totally cut off from the outside world (free trade is punishable by torture, followed by death).

The group finds the rebel army, who look to the protagonist as an intellectual leader.

The main bulk of the novel is about the war, and the eventual overthrow of the government. After a major battle where the state's city-prison was destroyed, the populace of the capitol rose up and, under the protagonist's leadership, destroy the Imperial Government.

I know that's a bit of a tight nutshell, but that's all you need to know for the question.

I wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions for a title - that's my biggest problem at the moment. I was hoping for something historically/mythologically/biblically based, but any input would be appreciated. I definitely want a meaningful title, if nothing else. Any suggestions?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry about the spoiler thing, didn't realize that's how it worked. Here's what was in it:

The revolution against the state. A small group of high-schoolers led by the protaganist rebel against the state when they see that their lives are days away from ending. The group leaves the city, which (along with ever other city in the empire) has been completely and totally cut off from the outside world (free trade is punishable by torture, followed by death).

The group finds the rebel army, who look to the protagonist as an intellectual leader.

The main bulk of the novel is about the war, and the eventual overthrow of the government. After a major battle where the state's city-prison was destroyed, the populace of the capitol rose up and, under the protagonist's leadership, destroy the Imperial Government.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sorry about the spoiler thing, didn't realize that's how it worked. Here's what was in it:

The revolution against the state. A small group of high-schoolers led by the protaganist rebel against the state when they see that their lives are days away from ending. The group leaves the city, which (along with ever other city in the empire) has been completely and totally cut off from the outside world (free trade is punishable by torture, followed by death).

The group finds the rebel army, who look to the protagonist as an intellectual leader.

The main bulk of the novel is about the war, and the eventual overthrow of the government. After a major battle where the state's city-prison was destroyed, the populace of the capitol rose up and, under the protagonist's leadership, destroy the Imperial Government.

First, if trade is punishable by death, there is no free trade. If you want your title to express an emotion and desire of the rebels, it could be something like "Death to the State!" But your choice of title is clearly dependent on the main significance of the novel to you.

Hope that helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sorry about the spoiler thing, didn't realize that's how it worked. Here's what was in it:

The revolution against the state. A small group of high-schoolers led by the protaganist rebel against the state when they see that their lives are days away from ending. The group leaves the city, which (along with ever other city in the empire) has been completely and totally cut off from the outside world (free trade is punishable by torture, followed by death).

The group finds the rebel army, who look to the protagonist as an intellectual leader.

The main bulk of the novel is about the war, and the eventual overthrow of the government. After a major battle where the state's city-prison was destroyed, the populace of the capitol rose up and, under the protagonist's leadership, destroy the Imperial Government.

First, if trade is punishable by death, there is no free trade. If you want your title to express an emotion and desire of the rebels, it could be something like "Death to the State!" But your choice of title is clearly dependent on the main significance of the novel to you.

Hope that helps.

But, of course, "Death to the State!" could be taken as anarchistic, so, since this (the Imperial Government) is a state of death, the title might be "Death to Death!"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
First, if trade is punishable by death, there is no free trade. If you want your title to express an emotion and desire of the rebels, it could be something like "Death to the State!" But your choice of title is clearly dependent on the main significance of the novel to you.

Hope that helps.

There is no free trade - that's the point of it being punishable by death. Stamp out trade, and you stamp out communication. Stamp out communication, you stamp out ideas. Stamp out ideas, you stamp out the human race.

But, of course, "Death to the State!" could be taken as anarchistic, so, since this (the Imperial Government) is a state of death, the title might be "Death to Death!"

I just found my (their) new slogan. Thanks! That might actually be a good idea for a title...Thanks, I'll think about it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sorry about the spoiler thing, didn't realize that's how it worked. Here's what was in it:

The revolution against the state. A small group of high-schoolers led by the protaganist rebel against the state when they see that their lives are days away from ending. The group leaves the city, which (along with ever other city in the empire) has been completely and totally cut off from the outside world (free trade is punishable by torture, followed by death).

The group finds the rebel army, who look to the protagonist as an intellectual leader.

The main bulk of the novel is about the war, and the eventual overthrow of the government. After a major battle where the state's city-prison was destroyed, the populace of the capitol rose up and, under the protagonist's leadership, destroy the Imperial Government.

If you get it published, be sure to make the ISBN number available here, as I'd like to read it and Amazon is usually pretty good at supplying these things.

(Off topic but next time some viro goes on about saving the Amazon, tell them not to worry, as you buy from them regularly, it drives them nuts!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If you get it published, be sure to make the ISBN number available here, as I'd like to read it and Amazon is usually pretty good at supplying these things.

(Off topic but next time some viro goes on about saving the Amazon, tell them not to worry, as you buy from them regularly, it drives them nuts!)

It's going to be a while, but if I'm still on the forums when it does get published (and in all likeliness I will be), I'll promise to put up the ISBN #, the title, the cover picture, etc.

(That is a great idea, and with all the environmentalists popping up day after day, I think I'll have plenty of chance to use it)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's a good way, I've found, to discover the title. What would you say the theme is? What is the essential "essence", the essential "whatness", of the book?

I know that it is a book about revolution-but there are many types of revolution. Or-is revolution the backdrop for something else?

When you discover the theme, a title might come more easily.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Here's a good way, I've found, to discover the title. What would you say the theme is? What is the essential "essence", the essential "whatness", of the book?

I know that it is a book about revolution-but there are many types of revolution. Or-is revolution the backdrop for something else?

When you discover the theme, a title might come more easily.

The theme is, essentially, that Ideas (philosophy) shapes the world, and the ideas of collectivism destroy while the ideas of individualism create. There are several smaller themes*, but they all stem from the idea that it is philosophy which shapes the world, and what kind of philosophy shapes what kind of world.

The revolution in the book is rather interesting - during it's first years, it is a fledgling idea. But during most of it's career, it's a hopeless mob of ideologically divided members from all over the planet that have no specific goal other then changing the state - somehow . The reason the revolution is largely unsuccessful is that it has no central ideas to it, no philosophical backing to give it meaning. The revolution (next part is a spoiler) succeeds because the army was given a central philosophy by the protagonist.

*One is the theme of overcoming state-endorsed prejudices. There is a reason that the protagonists are in (their equivalent of) high school. They youth is one of the targets of the state - sort of like the Jews for Hitler. The reason for this is that they always have a group to target. You can't committee a complete genocide of young people, you need them to become old people. There's also the prejudice against intellectuals - they might get ideas (which the gov't has worked to stamp out, via death penalty for free trade). High schoolers are in school and are in a learning environment - which classifies them as intellectuals, in the eyes of the state.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some notes people might find of interest -

* The ideology of the State is one that I made up, but is really just a collaboration of all collectivist ideas. I call it "Social Nationalism". The slogan is "You are not responsible for your own work." In the early part of the boo, the protagonist explains exactly what the party means by this - when you give up your work, you give up that which produces your work, your ideas. And when you give up your ideas, your left with the idea of a collective, and only that. And that is the ultimate goal of social nationalism - a collective, and only that. No ideas- they are dangerous. No individuals - they have ideas. No trade - it creates ideas.

* The history of the world has been hidden. Most of the intellectuals, professors, etc. were killed off in a genocide shortly before the wars which led the empire to control the above mentioned areas. Through extreme suppression, most of the knowledge of history gradually died off over the years. The government considered the inspiration of events like the thousands of revolutions since Moses that have succeeded dangerous.

* The government keeps the people in line with a terror campaign that centers around the threat of "Erebus", a massive prison-city that serves as the empire's only prison. It is meant to terrify the populace into subordination, lest they be caught and sent to the place from which no one has ever gotten out.

* There is a dictator of the empire, who is the antithesis of everything the protagonist is. Whereas the protagonist is a young, idealistic, individualistic, egotistic, strong-willed rebel, the dictator is the embodiment of his empire - old (it's ideas, anyways), bitter, collectivistic man who has become very weak willed, and continues to rely more and more on his subordinate generals. This ends up becoming near fatal, as it was an attempted (but failed) military coup that gave the populace the go-ahead for rebellion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If you get it published, be sure to make the ISBN number available here,

If you get it published, be sure to let us know who the publisher is!!!

Consider reading, "Mao: The Unknown Story," Your dictator sounds very much like the real Mao.

Good Luck on your story and title. Keep us posted on your progress.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I know that's a bit of a tight nutshell, but that's all you need to know for the question.

I wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions for a title - that's my biggest problem at the moment. I was hoping for something historically/mythologically/biblically based, but any input would be appreciated. I definitely want a meaningful title, if nothing else. Any suggestions?

For what it's worth (bearing in mind I am not yet published) when I faced the same problem, I tried to find a historical phrase that sums up the book.

Mine is alternate history which imagines the South won the civil war and there are now two Americas, Confederate States and Northern States. The South are like an uber-libertarian Switzerland and the North are modern day socialist Great Britain. The book compares and contrasts the various social systems through the interaction of three main characters. Anyway, I decided to call it

"Single acts of tyranny" which I am sure many of you scholars of the founding fathers will recognise as a Jeffersonian quote, which goes on

"....maybe ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day, but when a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, unaltered through every change of ministers, to plainly prove a systematical plan of reducing us to slavery . . . If the people do not keep the government as their slave, they shall end up the slaves to government."

As I say, I am not yet published (and the whole UK publishing industry is notoriously left-wing, so it won't be easy) so take my advice with a pinch of salt. But you can dig up some good titles this way, try some of these quotation websites and look at Hayek, Jefferson, Barry Goldwater and of course Miss Rand.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0