Posted 19 Apr 2005 · Report post One of my most favorite poems is "Lochinvar", by Sir Walter Scott. I first heard about it from the 1942 movie, You'll Never Be Lovelier, starring Rita Hayworth, my most favorite actress of all time (). In the movie she played this gorgeous and extremely self-confident woman who rejected all suitors that tried to approach her. The reason for that is because in her youth, at the age of 15, she had read a poem about a man, and she set out to find the kind of man described in her poem; no one else was simply good enough. The knight's name was Lochinvar, and the poem she had read was the one under the same title, written by Sir Walter Scott. I was so impressed by (and in love with) her character that I had to find the poem and understand what it was she was looking for.LochinvarO young Lochinvar is come out of the west,Through all the wide Border his steed was the best;And save his good broadsword he weapons had none,He rode all unarm'd, and he rode all alone.So faithful in love, and so dauntless in war,There never was knight like the young Lochinvar.He stayd not for brake, and he stopp'd not for stone,He swam the Eske river where ford there was none;But ere he alighted at Netherby gate,The bride had consented, the gallant came late:For a laggard in love, and a dastard in war,Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar.So boldly he enter'd the Netherby Hall,Among bride's-men, and kinsmen, and brothers and all: Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword, (For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,) "O come ye in peace here, or come ye in war,Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?""I long woo'd your daughter, my suit you denied; -- Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide -- And now I am come, with this lost love of mine,To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine.There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far,That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar."The bride kiss'd the goblet: the knight took it up,He quaff'd off the wine, and he threw down the cup.She look'd down to blush, and she look'd up to sigh,With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye.He took her soft hand, ere her mother could bar, -- "Now tread we a measure!" said young Lochinvar.So stately his form, and so lovely her face,That never a hall such a gailiard did grace;While her mother did fret, and her father did fumeAnd the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume;And the bride-maidens whisper'd, "'twere better by farTo have match'd our fair cousin with young Lochinvar."One touch to her hand, and one word in her ear,When they reach'd the hall-door, and the charger stood near;So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung,So light to the saddle before her he sprung!"She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur;They'll have fleet steeds that follow," quoth young Lochinvar.There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan;Forsters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran:There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee,But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see.So daring in love, and so dauntless in war,Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar? - Sir Walter Scott Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 Apr 2005 · Report post One of my most favorite poems is "Lochinvar", by Sir Walter Scott. I first heard about it from the 1942 movie, You'll Never Be Lovelier, starring Rita Hayworth, my most favorite actress of all time (). In the movie she played this gorgeous and extremely self-confident woman who rejected all suitors that tried to approach her. The reason for that is because in her youth, at the age of 15, she had read a poem about a man, and she set out to find the kind of man described in her poem; no one else was simply good enough. The knight's name was Lochinvar, and the poem she had read was the one under the same title, written by Sir Walter Scott. I was so impressed by (and in love with) her character that I had to find the poem and understand what it was she was looking for.Wow! You sure got me interested in the movie. I'll look for it. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 Apr 2005 · Report post I should state for the record that the movie doesn't end as we'd like it to, so caveat emptor. But the experience of watching Rita Hayworth as an unapproachable queen of beauty, waiting for her stalwart prince to sweep her off her feet, was irreplaceable to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 May 2005 · Report post Here is what the great 19th century English poet Algernon Charles Swinburne considered his best poem.HerthaI am that which began;Out of me the years roll;Out of me god and man;I am equal and Whole;God changes, and man, and the form ofthem bodily; I am the soul.Before ever land was,Before ever the sea,Or soft hair of the grass,Or fair limbs of the tree,Or the flesh-colored fruit of my branches,I was, and thy soul was in me.First life on my sources First drifted and swam;Out of me are the forcesThat save it and damn;Out of me man and woman, and wild beastand bird; before God was, I am.Beside or above meNought is there to go;Love or unlove me,Unknow me or know,I am that which unloves me and loves; Iam stricken, and I am the blow.I the mark that is missedAnd the arrows that miss,I the mouth that is kissedAnd the breath in the kiss,The search, and the sought, and the seeker,the soul and the body that is.I am that thing which blessesMy spirit elate;That which caressesWith hands uncreateMy limbs unbegotten that measure thelength of the measure of fate.But what thing dost thou now,Looking Godward to cry"I am I, thou art thou,I am low, thou art high"?I am thou, whom thou seekest to find him;find thou but thyself, thou art I.I the grain and the furrow,The plough-cloven clodAnd the ploughshare drawn thorough,The germ and the sod,The deed and the doer, the seed and the sower, the dust which is God.Hast thou known how I fashioned thee,Chid, underground?Fire that impassioned thee,Iron that bound,Dim changes of water, what thing of allthese hast thou known of or found?Canst thou say in thine heartThou hast seen with thine eyesWith what cunning of artThou wast wrought in what wise,By what force of what stuff thou wast shap-en, and shown on my breast to the skies?Who hath given, who hath sold it thee,Knowledge of me?Hath the wilderness told it thee?Hast thou learnt of the sea?Hast thou communed in spirit with night?have the winds taken counsel with thee?Have I set such a star To show light on thy browThat thou sawest from afarWhat I show to thee now?Have ye spoken as brethren together, thesun and the mountains and thou?What is here, dost thou know it?What was, hast thou known?Prophet nor poetNor tripod nor throneNor spirit nor flesh can make answer, butonly thy mother alone.Mother, not maker,Born, and not made;Though her children forsake her,Allured or afraid,Praying prayers to the God of their fashion,she stirs not for all that have prayed.A creed is a rod,And a crown is of night;But this thing is God,To be man with thy might,To grow straight in the strength of thyspirit, and live out thy life as the light.I am in thee to save thee,As my soul in thee saith,Give thou as I gave thee,Thy life-blood and breath,Green leaves of thy labor, white flowers ofthy thought, and red fruit of thy death.Be the ways of thy givingAs mine were to thee;The free life of thy living,Be the gift of it free;Not as servant to lord, nor as master toslave, shalt thou give thee to me.O children of banishment,Souls overcast,Were the lights ye see vanish meantAlway to last,Ye would know not the sun overshining theshadows and stars overpast.I that saw where ye trodThe dim paths of the nightSet the shadow called godIn your skies to give light;But the morning of manhood is risen, andthe shadowless soul is in sight.The tree many-rootedThat swells to the skyWith frondage red-fruited,The life-tree am I;In the buds of your lives is the sap of myleaves: ye shall live and not die.But the Gods of your fashionThat take and that give,In their pity and passionThat scourge and forgive,They are worms that are bred in the barkthat falls off: they shall die and not live.My own blood is what stanchesThe wounds in my bark:Stars caught in my branchesMake day of the dark,And are worshipped as suns till the sunriseshall tread out their fires as a spark.Where dead ages hide underThe live roots of the tree,In my darkness the thunderMakes utterance of me;In the clash of my boughs with each otherye hear the waves sound of the sea.That noise is of Time,As his feathers are spreadAnd his feet set to climbThrough the boughs overhead,And my foliage rings round him and rustles,and branches are bent with his tread.The storm-winds of agesBlow through me and cease,The war-wind that rages,The spring-wind of peace,Ere the breath of them roughen my tresses,ere one of my blossoms increase.All sounds of all changes,All shadows and lightsOn the world's mountain-rangesAnd stream-riven heights,Whose tongue is the wind's tongue and lan-guage of storm-clouds on earth-shaking nights;All forms of all faces,All works of all handsIn unsearchable placesOf time-stricken lands,All death and all life, and all reigns and all ruins, drop through me as sands.Though sore be my burdenAnd more than ye know,And my growth have no guerdonBut only to grow,Yet I fail not of growing for lightningsabove me or deathworms below.These too have their part in me,As I too in these;Such fire is at heart in me,Such sap is this tree's,Which hath in it all sounds and all secretsof infinite lands and of seas.In the spring-colored hoursWhen my mind was as May's,There brake forth of me flowersBy centuries of days,Strong blossoms with perfume of manhood,shot out of my spirit as rays.And the sound of them springingAnd smell of their shootsWere as warmth and sweet singingAnd strength to my roots;And the lives of my children made perfectwith freedom of soul were my fruits.I bid you but be;I have need not of prayer;I have need of you freeAs your mouths of mine air;That my heart may be greater within me,beholding the fruits of me fair.More fair than strange fruit isOf faiths ye espouse;In me only the root isThat blooms in your boughs;Behold now your God that ye made you,to feed him with faith of your vows.In the darkening and whiteningAbysses adored,With dayspring and lightningFor lamp and for sword,God thunders in heaven, and his angelsare red with the wrath of the Lord.O my sons, O too dutifulToward Gods not of me,Was not I enough beautiful?Was it hard to be free?For behold, I am with you, am in you andof you; look forth now and see.Lo, winged with world's wonders,With miracles shod,With the fires of his thundersFor raiment and rod,God trembles in heaven, and his angels arewhite with the terror of God.For his twilight is come on him,His anguish is here;And his spirits gaze dumb on him,Grown grey from his fear;And his hour taketh hold on him stricken,the last of his infinite year.Thought made him and breaks him,Truth slays and forgives;But to you, as time takes him,This new thing it gives,Even love, the beloved Republic, that feedsupon freedom and lives.For truth only is living,Truth only is whole,And the love of his givingMan's polestar and pole;Man, pulse of my center, and fruit of mybody, and seed of my soul.One birth of my bosom;One beam of mine eye;One topmost blossomThat scales the sky;Man, equal and one with me, man that ismade of me, man that is I. 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Posted 11 May 2005 · Report post If anyone is looking for the film, its name is You Were Never Lovelier (1942). It's a musical with Fred Astaire and Rita Hayworth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 May 2005 · Report post Swinburne wrote many lovely lyrics for, or about , children. Here is one of my favorites.A Child's FutureWhat will it please you, my darling, hereafter to be?Fame upon land will you look for, or glory by sea?Gallant your life will be always, and all of it free.Free as the wind when the heart of the twilight is stirredEastward, and the sounds of the springs of the sunrise are heard:Free---and we know not another as infinite word.Darkness or twilight or sunlight may compass us round,Hate may arise up against us, or hope may confound;Love may forsake us; yet may not the spirit be bound.Free in oppression of grief as in ardor of joyStill may the soul be, and each to her strength as a toy:Free in the glance of the man as the smile of the boy.Freedom alone is the salt and the spirit that givesLife, and without her is nothing that verily lives:Death cannot slay her: she laughs upon death and forgives.Brightest and hardiest of roses anear and afarGlitters the blithe little face of you, round as a star:Liberty bless you and keep you to be as you are.England and liberty bless you and keep you to beWorthy the name of their child and the sight of their sea:Fear not at all; for a slave, if he fears not, is free._______________________________________________________And then there is this:In A GardenBaby, see the flowers!----Baby seesFairer things than these,Fairer though they be than dreams of ours.Baby, hear the birds!----Baby knowsBetter songs than those,Sweeter though they sound than sweetest words. Baby, see the moon!----Baby's eyes Laugh to watch it rise,Answering light with love and night with noon.Baby, hear the sea!----Baby's faceTakes a graver grace,Touched with wonder what the sound may be. Baby, see the star!----Baby's hand Opens, warm and bland,Calm in claim of all fair things that are.Baby, hear the bells!----Baby's headBows, as ripe for bed,Now the flowers curl round and close their cells.Baby, flower of light,Sleep, and seeBrighter dreams than we,Till good day shall smile away good night.________________________________________And fitting here, though not written especially with children in mind,SongLove laid his sleepless headOn a thorny rosy bed;And his eyes with tears were red,And pale his lips as the dead.And fear and sorrow and scornKept watch by his head forlorn.Till the night was overwornAnd the world was merry with morn.And Joy came up with the dayAnd kissed Love's lips as he lay,And the watchers ghostly and graySped from his pillow away.And his eyes as the dawn grew bright,And his lips waxed ruddy as light:Sorrow may reign for a night,But day shall bring back delight.________________________________And from the last of his Roundels,EnvoiFly, white butterflies, out to sea,Frail pale wings for the winds to try,Small white wings that we scarce can see,Fly.Here or there may a chance-caught eyeNote in a score of you twain or threeBrighter or darker of mould or dye.Some fly light as a laugh of glee,Some fly soft as a low long sigh:All to the haven where each would be,Fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post Here is Swinburne'sA MatchIf love were what the rose is,And I were like the leaf,Our lives would grow togetherIn sad or singing weather,Blown fields or flowerful closes,Green pleasure or grey grief;If love were what the rose is,And I were like the leaf.If I were what the words are,And love were like the tune,With double sound and singleDelight our lips would mingle,With kisses glad as birds areThat get sweet rain at noon;If I were what the words areAnd love were like the tune.If you were life, my darling,And I your love were death,We'd shine and snow togetherEre march made sweet the weatherWith daffodil and starlingAnd hours of fruitful breath;If you were life, my darling,And I your love were death.If you were thrall to sorrow,And I were page to joy,We'd play for lives and seasonsWith loving looks and treasonsAnd tears of night and morrowAnd laughs of maid and boy;If you were thrall to sorrow,And I were page to joy.If you were April's lady,And I were lord in May,We'd throw with leaves for hoursAnd draw for days with flowers,Till day like night were shadyAnd night were bright like day;If you were April's lady,And I were lord in may.If you were queen of pleasure,And I were king of pain,We'd hunt down love together,Pluck out his flying feather,And teach his feet a measure,And find his mouth a reign;If you were queen of pleasure,And I were king of pain. __________________________________And here is one by Richard Lovelace. Though he misses a couple rhymes in the first stanza, the exquisite last stanza makes amends (or, did he miss on purpose?)To Amarantha (1647)Amarantha, sweet and fair,Ah, braid no more that shining hair!As my curious hand or eyeHovering round thee, let it fly.Let it fly as unconfinedAs its ravisher, the wind,Who has left his darling East,To wanton o'er this spicy nest.Every tress must be confessedBut neatly tangled at the best,Like a clue of golden threadMost excellently ravell-ed.Do not, then, wind up that lightIn ribands, and o'ercloud in night:Like the sun in's early ray,But shake your head and scatter day. ____________________________________ And from 1605 Thomas Heywood leaps forth!Pack, clouds, away, and welcome day!With night we banish sorrow.Sweet air, blow soft; mount, lark, aloft,To give my love good-morrow!Wings from the wind to please her mind,Notes from the lark I'll borrow.Bird, prune thy wing; nightingale, sing,To give my love good-morrow!To give my love good-morrow,Notes from them all I'll borrow.Wake from thy rest, robin-redbreast;Sing, birds, in every furrow!And from each bill let music shrillGive my fair love good-morrow!Blackbird and thrush in every bush,Stare, linnet, and cock-sparrow,You pretty elves, amongst yourselvesSing my fair love good-morrow!To give my love good-morrow,Sing, birds, in every furrow! ________________________________And from 1602 Joshua Sylvester still shines through.Were I as base as is the lowly plain,And you, my love, as high as heaven above,Yet should the thoughts of me, your humble swain,Ascend to heaven in honour of my love.Were I as high as heaven above the plain,And you, my love, as humble and as lowAs are the deepest bottoms of the main,Whatsoe'er you were, with you my love should go.Were you the earth, dear love, and I the skies,My love should shine on you, like to the sun,And look upon you with ten thousand eyes,Till heaven waxed blind and till the world were done.Wheresoe'er I am----below or else above you----Wheresoe'er you are, my heart shall truly love you.________________________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post This is one of my favorites by Berton Braley.A Little Further The reason I never can quit the roadIs a reason that's plain and clear.It's because no matter where I may stopAnd whether it's far or nearTher's a place beyond the place I am,Wherever I may be at,And then beyond is a place beyondAnd the world beyond all that!And as long as a man has eyes to seeAnd a brain that wants to know,I figure ther's things he's bound to missIf he doesn't go on and go;For there's always a place beyond the placeI happen to hang my hat,And another place beyond that placeAnd the world beyond all that!There's some folks stay in a single spotOr a town of which they're fond,And never worry a little bitAt the thought of a place beyond;But the place beyond the place beyondWon't never let me restFor there's a sort of a kind of urgeThat's burnin' within my breast--To go an' go till the end of life,An' when I've left it flat,Go on beyond the place beyond;And the universe after that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post Thanks for posting that one, Stephen; really light-heartedly great! Where did you find it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post Thanks for posting that one, Stephen; really light-heartedly great! Where did you find it?←We have a few books of his poems (as well as his compilation of the world's 1000 greatest poems), but I took this directly from the Berton Braley Website. This is a lovely website for fans of Berton Braley. It was originally published in 1916 in Things As They Are: Ballads, George H. Doran Company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post We have a few books of his poems (as well as his compilation of the world's 1000 greatest poems), but I took this directly from the Berton Braley Website. This is a lovely website for fans of Berton Braley. It was originally published in 1916 in Things As They Are: Ballads, George H. Doran Company.←Thank you for the site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post Thank you for the site.←You're welcome, but better to thank the owner for that site. Quite a bit of dedication to what he values. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post I took this directly from the Berton Braley Website. This is a lovely website for fans of Berton Braley. Giving credit where credit is due, the Berton Braley website is a labor of love of FORUM member PaperDetective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post If - by Rudyard KiplingIf you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or, being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with triumph and disaster And treat those two imposters just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to broken, And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on"; If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch; If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run - Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 May 2005 · Report post If - by Rudyard Kipling←The great thing about a poem like this is that the rhythm of the verse and the eloquence of the words helps fix them in my mind and, when a poem is as chockfull of valuable insights as this one is, it is personally meaningful and useful.In particular, the following have come to mind when I most needed them:If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; ...Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, ...If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; ...If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";... If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run← Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 May 2005 · Report post SongLove laid his sleepless headOn a thorny rosy bed;And his eyes with tears were red,And pale his lips as the dead.And fear and sorrow and scornKept watch by his head forlorn.Till the night was overwornAnd the world was merry with morn.And Joy came up with the dayAnd kissed Love's lips as he lay,And the watchers ghostly and graySped from his pillow away.And his eyes as the dawn grew bright,And his lips waxed ruddy as light:Sorrow may reign for a night,But day shall bring back delight.________________________________←"Song" was very nice. Very much thanks for posting it. I can learn a lot from this poem. And it did affect me pleasantly. Wow!Cyrano D'Anconia(Bignosecopperking). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 May 2005 · Report post Here is my favorite medieval lyric.Cuckoo Song (author unknown, 1200?)Sumer is icumen in,Lhude sing cuccu!Groweth sed and bloweth medAnd springth the wode nu.Sing cuccu!Awe bleteth after lombLhouth after calve cu,Bulloc sterteth, bucke verteth.Murie sing cuccu!Cuccu, cuccu,Wel singes thu, cuccu.Ne swik thu naver nu!Sing cuccu nu, Sing cuccu!Sing cuccu, Sing cuccu nu!_____________________________Then there is this great-spirited voice from the 7th(?) century:The Youth (from The Seafarer; anglo-saxon)Oh, wildly my heartBeats in my bosom and bids me to tryThe tumble and surge of seas tumultuous,Breeze and brine and the breakers' roar.Daily, hourly, drives me my spiritOutward to sail, far countries to see.Liveth no man so large in his soul,So gracious in giving, so gay in his youth,In deeds so daring, so dear to his lord,But frets his soul for his sea adventure,Fain to try what fortune shall send.Harping he needs not, nor hoarding of treasure;Nor woman can win him, nor joys of the world.Nothing does please but the plunging billows;Ever he longs, who is lured by the sea.Woods are abloom, the wide world awakens;Gay are the mansions, the meadows most fair;These are but warnings, that haste on his journeyHim whose heart is hungry to tasteThe perils and pleasures of the pathless deep.Sudden my soul starts from her prison-house,Soareth afar o'er the sounding main;Hovers on high, o'er the home of the whale;Back to me darts the bird sprite and beckons,Winging her way o'er woodland and plain,Hungry to roam, and bring me where glistenGlorious tracts of glimmering foam.This life on land is lingering death to me,Give me the gale of the glad live sea! _____________________________________Now here is a 14th century lyric the "music" of which so well represents the subject. This is the essence of verse art---to make the sounds and flow of speech represent that which is spoken of.The BlacksmithsSwart, sweaty smiths, smutched with smoke,Drive me to death with din of their dints.Such noise a-nights heard a man never:What criminal cries, what clatter and clanging!The cursed cow-carpenters cry after "Coal! coal!"And blow their bellows till their brains burst."Huff puff," says the one, "Hoff poff," the other.They spit and sprawl and spell many spells;They gnaw and gnash, they groan together,And hold hot at it with hard hammers.Of a bull's hide is their bellies' covering;Their shanks are shackled for the spattering sparks;Heavy hammers they have, that are handled hard.Stark strokes they strike on a steel-stockAnd batter out a burden: "Loos boos! las das!"Such damnable din is due only the devil.The master lays into the links, lashing with his hammer,Twists them together, and taps out a treble:"Tic tock, hic hock, tiket taket, tic tock---Loos boos, las das!" This is the life they lead,These mare-clothers. Christ give them curses!Not a man these nights can have his rest!__________________________________________ This strikes me as good-humored anger; he loves the work---if only it was done quietly! as he sleeps._________________________________________Here is on old favorite of mine,A Sea-Song, by Allan CunninghamA wet sheet and a flowing sea,A wind that follows fast,And fills the white and rustling sailAnd bends the gallant mast;And bends the gallant mast, my boys,While, like the eagle free,Away the good ship flies, and leavesOld England on the lee."O for a soft and gentle wind!"I heard a fair one cry;But give to me the snoring breezeAnd white waves heaving high;And white waves heaving high, my lads,The good ship tight and free,---The world of waters is our home,And merry men are we.There's tempest in yon horned moon,And lightning in yon cloud;But hark the music, mariners!The wind is piping loud;The wind is piping loud, my boys,The lightning flashes free,---While the hollow oak our palace is,Our heritage the sea.____________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 May 2005 · Report post Here's a good Irish poem by that ubiquitous master, Anonymous.My Grief On The SeaMy grief on the sea,How the waves of it roll!For they heave between meAnd the love of my soul!Abandoned, forsaken,To grief and to care,Will the sea ever wakenRelief from despair?My grief and my trouble!Would he and I wereIn the province of LeinsterOr the county of Clare.Were I and my darling----Oh, heart-bitter wound!----On board of the shipFor America bound.On a green bed of rushesAll last night I lay,And I flung it abroadWith the heat of the day.And my love came behind me----He came from the south;His breast to my bosom,His mouth to my mouth.________________________________And at a much younger age Anonymous'sPangur Ban ( late 8th century)I and Pangur Ban, my cat,'Tis a like task we are at;Hunting mice is his delight,Hunting words I sit all night.Better far than praise of men'Tis to sit with book and pen;Pangur bears me no ill will,He too plies his simple skill.'Tis a merry thing to seeAt our tasks how glad are we,When at home we sit and findEntertainment to our mind.Oftentimes a mouse will strayIn the hero Pangur's way;Oftentimes my keen thought setTakes a meaning in its net.'Gainst the wall he sets his eyeFull and fierce and sharp and sly;'Gainst the wall of knowledge IAll my little wisdom try.When a mouse darts from its den,O how glad is Pangur then!O what gladness do I proveWhen I solve the doubts I love!So in peace our tasks we ply,Pangur ban, my cat, and I;In our arts we find our bliss,I have mine and he has his.Practice every day has madePangur perfect in his trade;I get wisdom day and nightTurning darkness into light. ________________________Modern translation by Robin Flower______________________________________Smith's Song, by George Sigerson late 1800'sDing dong didero,Blow big bellows,Ding dong didero,Black coal yellows,Ding dong didero,Blue steel mellows,Ding dong didero,Strike!----good fellows.Up with the hammers,Down with the sledges,Hark to the clamours,Pound now the edges,Work it and watch it,Round, flat, or square O,Spade, hook, or hatchet----Sword for a hero.Ding dong didero,Ding dong didero,Spade for a labourer,Sword for a hero,Hammer it, stout smith,Rightly, lightly,Hammer it, hammer it,Hammer at it brightly.___________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 15 May 2005 · Report post RE: If by Rudyard KiplingThe great thing about a poem like this is that the rhythm of the verse and the eloquence of the words helps fix them in my mind and, when a poem is as chockfull of valuable insights as this one is, it is personally meaningful and useful.That poem is probably the first resolutely positive & inspiring picture of manhood I encountered growing up. Then I met Howard Roark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 16 May 2005 · Report post For the young in spirit here isIf I Had Youth, by Edgar A. Guest (1919)If I had youth, I'd bid the world to try me;I'd answer every challenge to my will;And though the silent mountains should defy me,I'd try to make them subject to my skill.I'd keep my dreams and follow where they led me;I'd glory in the hazards which abound;I'd eat the simple fare privations fed me,And gladly make my couch upon the ground.If I had youth, I'd ask no odds of distance,Nor wish to tread the known and level ways,I'd want to meet and master strong resistance,And in a worth-while struggle spend my days.I'd see the task which calls for full endeavor;I'd feel the thrill of battle in my veins,I'd bear my burden gallantly, and neverDesert the hills to walk on common plains.If I had youth, no thought of failure lurkingBeyond to-morrow's dawn should fright my soul.Let failure strike----it still would find me workingWith faith that I should some day reach my goal.I'd dice with danger----aye!----and glory in it;I'd make high stakes the purpose of my throw.I'd risk for much, and should I fail to win it,I would never even whimper at the blow.If I had youth, no chains of fear should bind me;I'd brave the heights which older men must shun.I'd leave the well-worn lanes of life behind me,And seek to do what men have never done.Rich prizes wait for those who do not waver;The world needs men to battle for the truth.It calls each hour for stronger hearts and braver.This is the age for those who still have youth! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 17 May 2005 · Report post Here is the first section of part I, The Sailing of the Swallow, from Swinburne's lyric narrative, "Tristram of Lyonesse". One may tire of the couplets of Pope, but not of those of Swinburne. He is the Master.The Sailing Of The SwallowAbout the middle music of the springCame from the castled shore of Ireland's kingA fair ship stoutly sailing, eastward boundAnd south by Wales and all its wonders roundTo the loud rocks and ringing reaches homeThat take the wild wrath of the Cornish foam,Past Lyonesse unswallowed of the tidesAnd high Carlion that now the steep sea hidesTo the wind-hollowed heights and gusty baysOf sheer Tintagel, fair with famous days.Above the stem a gilded swallow shone,Wrought with straight wings and eyes of glittering stoneAs flying sunward oversea, to bearGreen summer with it through the singing air.And on the deck between the rowers at dawn,As the bright sail with brightening wind was drawn,Sat with full face against the strengthening lightIseult, more fair than foam or dawn was white.Her gaze was glad past love's own singing of,And her face lovely past desire of love.Past thought and speech her maiden motions were,And a more golden sunrise was her hair.The very veil of her bright flesh was madeAs of light woven and moonbeam-coloured shadeMore fine than moonbeams; white her eyelids shoneAs snow sun-stricken that endures the sun,And through their curled and coloured clouds of deepLuminous lashes thick as dreams in sleepShone as the sea's depth swallowing up the sky'sThe springs of unimaginable eyes.As the wave's subtler emerald is pierced throughWith the utmost heaven's inextricable blue,And both are woven and molten in one sleightOf amorous colour and implicated lightUnder the golden guard and gaze of noon,So glowed their awless amorous plenilune,Azure and gold and ardent grey, made strangeWith fiery difference and deep interchangeInexplicable of glories multiform;Now as the sullen sapphire swells toward stormFoamless, their bitter beauty grew acold,And now afire with ardour of fine gold.Her flower-soft lips were meek and passionate,For love upon them like a shadow satePatient, a foreseen vision of sweet things,A dream with eyes fast shut and plumeless wingsThat knew not what man's love or life should be,Nor had it sight nor heart to hope or seeWhat thing should come, but childlike satisfiedWatched out its virgin vigil in soft prideAnd unkissed expectation; and the gladClear cheeks and throat and tender temples hadSuch maiden heat as if a rose's bloodBeat in the live heart of a lily-bud.Between the small round breasts a white way ledHeavenward, and from slight foot to slender headThe whole fair body flower-like swayed and shoneMoving, and what her light hand leant uponGrew blossom-scented: her warm arms beganTo round and ripen for delight of manThat they should clasp and circle: her fresh hands, Like regent lilies of reflowering landsWhose vassal firstlings, crown and star and plume,Bow down to the empire of that sovereign bloom,Shone sceptreless, and from her face there wentA silent light as of a God content;Save when, more swift and keen than love or shame,Some flash of blood, ligh as the laugh of flame,Broke it with sudden beam and shining speech,As dream by dream shot through her eyes, and eachOutshone the last that lightened, and not oneShowed her such things as should be borne and done,Though hard against her shone the sunlike faceThat in all change and wreck of time and placeShould be the star of her sweet living soul.Nor had love made it as his written scrollFor evil will and good to read in yet;But smooth and mighty, without scar or fret,Fresh and high-lifted was the helmless browAs the oak-tree flower that tops the top-most bough,Ere it drop off before the perfect leaf;And nothing save his name he had of grief,The name his mother, dying as he was born,Made out of sorrow in very sorrow'as scorn,And set it on him smiling in her sight,Tristram; who now, clothed with sweet youth and might,As a glad witness wore that bitter name,The second symbol of the world for fame. _____________________________________Later, Tristram sings to her.The breath between my lips of lips not mine,Like spirit in sense that makes pure sense divine,Is as life in them from the living skyThat entering fills my heart with blood of thineAnd thee with me, while day shall live and die.Thy soul is shed into me with thy breath,And in my heart each heartbeat of thee saithHow in thy life the lifesprings of me lie,Even one life to be gathered of one deathIn me and thee, though day may live and die.Ah, who knows now if in my veins it beMy blood that feels life sweet, or blood of thee,And this thine eyesight kindled in mine eyeThat shows me in thy flesh the soul of me,For thine made mine, while day may live and die?Ah, who knows yet if one be twain or one,And sunlight separable again from sun,And I from thee with all my lifesprings dry,And thou from me with all thine heartbeats done,Dead separate souls while day shall live and die?I see my soul within thine eyes, and hearMy spirit in all thy pulses thrill with fear,And in my lips the passion of thee sigh,And music of me made in mine own ear;Am I not thou while day shall live and die?Art thou not I as I thy love am thou?So let all things pass from us; we are now,For all that was and will be, who knows why?And all that is and is not, who knows how?Who knows? God knows why day should live and die. _____________________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 18 May 2005 · Report post In 1871 Swinburne's "Songs Before Sunrise" was published. Here is the noble Prelude to that volume which expresses his passionate love of freedom.PreludeBetween the green bud and the redYouth sat and sang by Time, and shedFrom eyes and tresses flowers and tears,From heart and spirit hopes and fears,Upon the hollow stream whose bedIs channelled by the foamless years;And with the white the gold-haired headMixed running locks, and in Time's earsYouth's dreams hung singing, and Time's truthWas half not harsh in the ears of Youth.Between the bud and the blown flowerYouth talked with joy and grief an hour,With footless joy and wingless griefAnd twin-born faith and disbeliefWho share the seasons to devour;And long ere these made up their sheafFelt the winds round him shake and showerThe rose-red and the blood-red leaf,Delight whose germ grew never grain,And passion dyed in its own pain.Then he stood up, and trod to dustFear and desire, mistrust and trust,And dreams of bitter sleep and sweet,And bound for sandals on his feetKnowledge and patience of what mustAnd what things may be, in the heatAnd cold of years that rot and rustAnd alter; and his spirit's meatWas freedom, and his staff was wroughtOf strength, and his cloak woven of thought.For what has he whose will sees clearTo do with doubt and faith and fear,Swift hopes and slow despondencies?His heart is equal with the sea'sAnd with the sea-wind's, and his earIs level to the speech of these,And his soul communes and takes cheerWith the actual earth's equalities,Air, light, and night, hills winds, and streams,And seeks not strength from strengthless dreams.His soul is even with the sunWhose spirit and whose eyes are one,Who seeks not stars by day nor lightAnd heavy heat of day ny night.Him can no God cast down, whom noneCan lift in hope beyond the heightOf fate and nature and things doneBy the calm rule of might and rightThat bids men be and bear and do,And die beneath blind skies or blue.To him the lights of even and mornSpeak no vain things of love or scorn,Fancies and passions miscreateBy man in things dispassionate.Nor holds he fellowship forlornWith souls that pray and hope and hate,And doubt they had better not been born,And fain would lure or scare off fateAnd charm their doomsman from their doomAnd make fear dig its own false tomb.He builds not half of doubts and halfOf dreams his own soul's cenotaphWhence hopes and fears with helpless eyes,Wrapt loose in cast-off cerecloths, riseAnd dance and wring their hands and laugh,And weep thin tears and sigh light sighs,And without living lips would quaffThe living spring in man that lies,And drain his soul of faith and strengthIt might have lived on a life's length.He hath given himself and hath not soldTo God for heaven or man for gold,Or grief for comfort that it gives,Or joy for grief's restoratives,He hath given himself to time, whose foldShuts in the mortal flock that livesOn its plain pasture's heat and coldAnd the equal year's alternatives.Earth, heaven, and time, death, life, and he,Endure while they shall be to be."Yet between death and life are hoursTo flush with love and hide in flowers;What profit save in these?" men cry:"Ah, see, between soft earth and sky,What only good things here are ours!"They say, "What better wouldst thou try,What sweeter sing of? or what powersServe, that will give thee ere thou dieMore joy to sing and be less sad,More heart to play and grow more glad?"Play then and sing; we too have played,We likewise, in that subtle shade.We too have twisted throughour hairSuch tendrils as the wild Loves wear,And heard what mirth the Maenads made,Till the wind blew our garlands bareAnd left their roses disarrayed,And smote the summer with strange air,And disengirdled and discrownedThe limbs and locks that vine-wreaths bound.We too have tracked by star-proof treesThe tempest of the ThyiadesScare the loud night on hills that hidThe blood-feasts of the Bassarid,Heard their song's iron cadencesFright the wolf hungering from the kid,Outroar the lion-throated seas,Outchide the north-wind if it chid,And hush the torrent-tongued ravinesWith thunders of their tambourines.But the fierce flute whose notes acclaimDim goddesses of fiery fame,Cymbal and clamorous kettledrum,Timbrels and tabrets, all are dumbThat turned the high chill air to flame;The singing tongues of fire are numbThat called on Cotys by her nameEdonian, till they felt her comeAnd maddened, and her mystic faceLightened along the streams of Thrace.For Pleasure slumberless and pale,And Passion with rejected veil,Pass, and the tempest-footed throngOf hours that follow them with songTill their feet flag and voices fail,And lips that were so loud so longLearn silence, or a wearier wail;So keen is change, and time so strong,To weave the robes of life and rendAnd weave again till life have end.But weak is change, but strengthless time,To take the light fro heaven or climbThe hills of heaven with wasting feet.Songs they can stop that earth found meet,But the stars keep their ageless rhyme:Flowers they can slay that spring though sweet,But the stars keep their spring sublime;Passions and pleasures can defeat,Actions and agonies control,And life and death, but not the soul.Because man's soul is man's God still,What wind soever waft his willAcross the waves of day and nightTo port or shipwreck, left or right,By shores and shoals of good and ill;And still its flame at mainmast heightThrough the rent air that foam-flakes fillSustains the indomitable lightWhence only man hath strength to steerOr helm to handle without fear.Save his own soul's light overhead,None leads him, and none ever led,Across birth's hidden harbor bar,Past youth where shoreward shallows are,Through age that drives on toward the redVast void of sunset hailed from far,To the equal waters of the dead;Save his own soul he hath no star,And sinks, except his own soul guide,Helmless in middle turn of tide.No blast of air or fire of sunPuts out the light whereby we runWith girdled loins our lamplit race,And each from each takes heart of graceAnd spirit till his turn be done,And light of face from each man's faceIn whom the light of trust is one;Since only souls that keep their placeBy their own light, and watch things roll,And stand, have light for any soul.A little time we gain from timeTo set our seasons in some chime,For harsh or sweet or loud or low,With seasons played out long agoAnd souls that in their time and primeTook part with summer or with snow,Lived abject lives out or sublime,And had their chance of seed to sowFor service or disservice doneTo those days dead and this their son.A little time that we may fillOr with such good works or such illAs loose the bonds or make them strongWherein all manhood suffers wrong.By rose-hung river and light-foot rillThere are who rest not; who think longTill they discern as from a hillAt the sun's hour of morning song,Known of souls only, and those souls free,The sacred spaces of the sea.________________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 May 2005 · Report post Born in 1875, Angela Morgan later wrote the following poem published in her book of poems titled "Hail Man!" I have taken the liberty of removing the religious terms, replacing "God" with "Man", "Maker" with "genius", "Spirit" with "thinker" and "Master" with"human". THe poem is a splendid expression of the value and meaning of work.Work, a Song of TriumphWork!Thank Man for the might of it,The ardor, the urge, the delight of it---Work that springs from the heart's desire,Setting the brain and the soul on fire---Oh, what is so good as the heat of it,And what is so glad as the beat of it,And what is so kind as the stern command,Challenging brain and heart and hand?Work!Thank Man for the pride of it,For the beautiful, conquering tide of it,Sweeping the life in its furious flood,Thrilling the arteries, cleansing the blood,Mastering stupor and dull despair,Moving the dreamer to do and dare.Oh, what is so good as the urge of it,And what is so glad as the surge of it,And what is so strong as the summons deep,Rousing the torpid soul from sleep?Work!Thank Man for the pace of it,For the terrible, keen, swift race of it;Fiery steeds in full control,Nostrils aquiver to meet the goal.Work, the power that drives behind,Guiding the purposes, taming the mind,Holding the runaway wishes back,Reining the will to one steady track,Speeding the energies faster, faster,Triumphing over disaster.Oh, what is so good as the pain of it,And what is so grweat as the gain of it?And what is so kind as the cruel goad,Forcing us on through the rugged road?Work!Thank Man for the swing of it,For the clamoring, hammering ring of it,Passion of labor daily hurledOn the mighty anvils of the world.Oh, what is so fierce as the flame of it?And what is so huge as the aim of it?Thundering on through dearth and doubt,Calling the plan of the genius out.Work, the Titan; Work, the friend,Shaping the earth to a glorious end,Draining the swamps and blasting the hills,Doing whatever the thinker wills---Rending a continent apart,To answer the dream of the human heart.Thank Man for a world where none may shirk---Thank Man for the splendor of work! _____________________________________________Nothing is known of John Stoltze but that he graduated from Princeton in 1917.Across Illinois, by John StoltzeThe feel of the friendly prairies, the softening shadows of nightThat covers the flattened landscape to the distant gleam of a light.The even swing of the trainload over the singing railsBetween the flowing fences that border the straight steel trails.The light of a locomotive adown the level track,A straight white line of brightness cutting the blanket of black.The roar of the whistling steam, a flickering lighted train;Once more the soft black silence and the hum of the rails again.And through the velvet darkness, keener than sense or sight,The feel of the friendly prairies, the shadow of Western night.____________________________________________________Florence Kiper Frank wrote poems and plays in Chicago in the early 20th century.The MoviesShe knows a cheap releaseFrom worry and from pain----The cowboys spur their horsesOver the unending plain.The tenement halls are small;Their walls press on the brain.Oh, the dip of the galloping horsesOn the limitless, wind-swept plain!___________________________________Of the writer of the following, nothing is known but his name.The Cowboy's Life, by James Barton AdamsThe bawl of a steer,To a cowboy's ear,Is music of sweetest strain;And the yelping notesOf the grey coyotesTo him are a glad refrain.And his jolly songSpeeds him along,As he thinks of the little galWith golden hairWho is waiting thereAt the bars of the home corral.For a kingly crownIn the noisy townHis saddle he wouldn't change;No life so freeAs the life we see'Way out on the Yaso range.His eyes are brightAnd his heart is lightAs the smoke of his cigarette;There's never a careFor his soul to bear,No trouble to make him fret.The rapid beatOf his broncho's feetOn the sod as he speeds along,Keeps living timeTo the ringing rhymeOf his rollicking cowboy song.Hike it, cowboys,For the range awayOn the back of a bronc of steel,With a careless flirtOf the rawhide quirtAnd the dig of a roweled heel!The winds may blowAnd the thunder growlOr the breezes may safely moan;---A cowboy's lifeIs the royal life,His saddle his kingly throne.Saddle up, boys,For the work is playWhen love's in the cowboy's eyes,---When his heart is lightAs the clouds of whiteThat swim in the summer skies.______________________________Born in London in 1859, Samuel T. Clover became a newspaperman after a trip around the world in 1880. He wrote novels and poems of Western life.Cadences, by Samuel T. CloverI am riding, riding, riding, on the hard dirt road,And my horse's ears are pointed, and my horse's neck is bowed.For in his veins pulsating is the ichor of the spring,And I catch the lilt of music his dancing hoofbeats ring:It's "Good-to-be-alive! Good-to-be-alive! Good-to-be-alive today!What fun it is! What fun it is!" they seem to me to say;And in the saddle, marking time, I fervently repeat,"I-love-it-too! I-love-it-too!" with every rhythmic beat.Thus on we go together, my eager horse and I,In tune with one another and a California sky! Intoxication's in the air, for blossoming orchards shedThe fragrance of their subtleties about the rider's head.Clippity-clip! Clippity-clip! the hoofbeats strike the ground,But more than that the message I gather from the sound;I get from it the thrill of joy so bounteously bestowed,When I am in the saddle on the hard dirt road._________________________________________________Princess Tekahionwake lived from 1862 to 1913. She was the daughter of a chief of the Mohawk tribe in Ontario. Her poems are collected in "Flint and Feather", with an introduction by Theodore Watts-Dunton, the man who rescued Swinburne from a reckless London life. The Princess, as Pauline Johnson, recited her poems widely throughout the U.S. I haven't seen the book; the biographical note I have says that her poems and prose were "sympathetic with nature and human nature".The Song My Paddle Sings, by E. Pauline JohnsonWest wind, blow from your prairie nest,Blow from the mountains, blow from the west.The sail is idle, the sailor too;O wind of the west, we wait for you!Blow, blow!I have wooed you so,But never a favor you bestow.You rock your cradle the hills between,But scorn to notice my white lateen.I stow the sail, unship the mast;I wooed thee long, but my wooing's past;My paddle will lull you into rest.O drowsy wind of the drowsy west,Sleep, sleep,By your mountain steep,Or down where the prairie grasses sweep.Now fold in slumber your laggard wings,For soft is the song my paddle sings.August is laughing across the sky,Laughing while paddle, canoe, and IDrift, drift,Where the hills upliftOn either side of the current swift.The river rolls in its rocky bed;My paddle is plying its way ahead;Dip, dip,When the waters flipIn foam as over their breast we slip.And oh, the river runs swifter now;The eddies circle about my bow!Swirl, swirl!How the ripples curlIn many a dangerous pool awhirl!And forward far the rapids roar,Fretting their margin for evermore;Dash, dash,With a mighty crash,They seethe, and boil, and bound, and splash.Be strong, O paddle! be brave, canoe!The reckless waves you must plunge into.Reel, reel,On your trembling keel---But never a fear my craft will feel.We've raced the rapid; we're far ahead!The river slips through its silent bed.Sway, sway,As the bubbles sprayAnd fall in tinkling tunes away.And up on the hills against the sky,A fir tree rocking its lullaby,Swings, swings,Its emerald wings,Swelling the song that my paddle sings. 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Posted 22 May 2005 · Report post TO TOUSSAINT L'OUVERTURE-By William Wordsworth TOUSSAINT, the most unhappy man of men! Whether the whistling Rustic tend his plough Within thy hearing, or thy head be now Pillowed in some deep dungeon's earless den;-- O miserable Chieftain! where and when Wilt thou find patience? Yet die not; do thou Wear rather in thy bonds a cheerful brow: Though fallen thyself, never to rise again, Live, and take comfort. Thou hast left behind Powers that will work for thee; air, earth, and skies; There's not a breathing of the common wind That will forget thee; thou hast great allies; Thy friends are exultations, agonies, And love, and man's unconquerable mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 Jun 2005 · Report post Upon Julia's Clothes, by Robert Herrick (1648)Whenas in silks my Julia goes,Then, then, methinks, how sweetly flowsThat liquefaction of her clothes.Next, when I cast mine eyes, and seeThat brave vibration, each way free,O, how that glittering taketh me!__________________________________On A Girdle, by Edmund Waller (1645)That which her slender waist confinedShall now my joyful temples bind:No monarch but would give his crown,His arms might do what this has done.It was my heaven's extremest sphere,The pale which held that lovely deer:My joy, my grief, my hope, my love,Did all within this circle move.A narrow compass, and yet thereDwelt all that's good and all that's fair:Give me but what this ribband bound,Take all the rest the sun goes round!____________________________________The Lark Now Leaves His Wat'ry Nest, by Sir William Davenant (1651)The lark now leaves his wat'ry nest,And, climbing, shakes his dewy wings;He takes this window for the east,And to implore your light he sings.Awake, awake! the Morn will never riseTill she can dress her beauty at your eyes.The merchant bows unto the seaman's star,The ploughman from the sun his season takes;But still the lover wonders what they areWho look for day before his mistress wakes.Awake, awake! break through your veils of lawn,Then draw your curtains and begin the dawn.___________________________________________Spring, The Sweet Spring, by Thomas Nash (1593)Spring, the sweet Spring, is the year's pleasant king:Then blooms each thing, then maids dance in a ring;Cold doth not sting; the pretty birds do sing,"Cuckoo, jug-jug, pu-we, to-witta-woo!The palm and may make country houses gay;Lambs frisk and play, the shepherds pipe all day;And we hear aye birds tune this merry lay:"Cuckoo, jug-jug, pu-we, to-wittta-woo!"The fields breathe sweet, the daisies kiss our feet;Young lovers meet, old wives a-sunning sit;In every street these tunes our ears do greet:"Cuckoo, jug-jug, pu-we, to-witta-woo!"Spring, the sweet Spring!_____________________________________________Song By Apelles, by John Lyly (1581)Cupid and my Campaspe playedAt cards for kisses; Cupid paid.He stakes his quiver, bow, and arrows,His mother's doves, and team of sparrows;Loses them too. Then down he throwsThe coral of his lip, the roseGrowing on's cheek (but none knows how);With these, the crystal of his brow,And then the dimple of his chin:All these did my Campaspe win.At last he set her both his eyes;She won, and Cupid blind did rise.O Love, has she done this to thee?What shall, alas! become of me?_____________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites