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It's Election Day!

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Holy cr*p, is this gonna s*ck.

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  1. I edited your post so THE FORUM doesn't lose it's G-rating on Google.
  2. I'm not optimistic either, but I will vote for the lesser evil and be prepared to make the best of whatever happens.

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I've already voted. I live in CA so my vote won't change the electoral count here.

If Obama wins, it will be a day for both celebration and mourning. We can celebrate the great American culture in which a black man, a woman, any person can rise to the highest office in the country. But, we will also mourn as a sharp turn away from liberty is taken.

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Not that the last 8 years have been "winning". The best I can hope for is McCain will win and do no more damage than Bush has.

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Obama will win.

And this will happen:

"A perfect democracy, a 'warm body' democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally has no internal feedback for self correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens...which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it...which for the majority translates as 'Bread and Circuses'

"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome."

-Robert Heinlein (To Sail Beyond the Sunset, 227)

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Astute observations by Dr. Hurd:

If Obama wins big, and subsequently joins forces with the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi to impose socialism on the USA, then it will be the end of the country. Our economy and our nation, in terms of morale, will suffer losses from which it will never recover -- or that will take so long to recover from, most of us will never live to see it.

If Obama wins big and then fails politically, or people realize in time the horrific mistake his policies would involve -- then that will be the end of liberalism as we know it. This would make Obama's win, in hindsight, a very good thing for the future of America.

And how can he help but fail? The law of identity is not going to suddenly go away, just to accommodate the bastard, and allow socialism to work. As a short-range non-thinker--an Attila, or Mystic of Muscle-- he's given no thought to how he'll juggle the demands of his hard-core socialist/communist backing, and the millions of people he's conned by pretending not to be a socialist. Many of the people he's conned are by no means honest -- like the mob in the hanger of the Twentieth Century Motor Company who voted for the 'new plan' -- but this time around, it will be hard to pin socialism's failures on anyone but the socialist in chief, and his evil socialist philosophy.

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And I'm back. (Actually, I got back about 15 minutes ago - the rest of the time I spent writing this post.) My votes:

President: McCain; for all the reasons I've stated previously.

House: Charlie Dent; a nonentity, and an against-then-for voter on the bailout, but still MUCH better than his opponent, who I know personally and is a power-mad, backstabbing, manipulative liar.

Pennsylvanai State offices: Straight Republican; PA politics is about as degenerate as it gets, but the Democrats have always been worse than anyone else. There were Libertarians on the ballot, but we know what they're all about.

Referenda: NO to authorize the state to incur 400,000,000 in new debt, ostensibly for infrastructure - for what I hope are obvious reasons. NO on a city measure to allow changes to city bidding rules by statute rather than charter amendment - I don't want to permit our city government to pass stealth legislation in the dead of night, which they're very likely to do.

I was disappointed that there was nobody outside the polling place handing out stuff - there usually is where I vote. I had speeches all ready (such as refusing to vote for Dent's opponent even if she offered me a Beneficial Joyous interpersonal activity every day for a year). I also took along some of my handouts to trade with them. Bummer.

Now we wait and see...

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I believe it's folly to follow the results closely, and subject oneself to an emotional roller coaster. Many pollsters are biased; Ann Coulter recently had a column about how they've repeatedly underestimated Republicans, year after year.

And no results are valid except the final one. I'm going to go to bed, wake up early Tuesday morning and check the results then, on Fox News. I wouldn't begin to trust anyone else.

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Make that early Wednesday morning.

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Has Obama basically already won?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Probably. If we wins really big time, he will declare that he has a Mandate. Then watch out! The only thing we can hope for is the the Republicans have more than 40 percent of the seats in the Senate. In which case they can still phillibuster.

ruveyn

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I believe it's folly to follow the results closely, and subject oneself to an emotional roller coaster.

Meh. I've never experienced an emotional roller coaster on election day before. I see no reason to think that'll change this time.

Many pollsters are biased; Ann Coulter recently had a column about how they've repeatedly underestimated Republicans, year after year.

Well I'm not going to be watching TV, seeing as I don't even have a cable or satellite service, so I'll avoid all that nonsense. I could wait until it comes out on DVD... ^_^

And no results are valid except the final one. I'm going to go to bed, wake up early [Wednesday] morning and check the results then, on Fox News. I wouldn't begin to trust anyone else.

I'm sure I'll be asleep before anything's final - I have to be up early for work...um, I mean...up early to be a brick in the magnificent edifice that is The State, whether Obamista or McNationalism. It'd be nifty to wake up to a bunch of "Dewey Defeats Truman" headlines, though...

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Well it is Election Day and the flag flying from my porch is the Bennington Flag. That is the flag with

the numeral "76" in the blue field. Tomorrow if as I expect Obama wins the Gadsden Flag will fly.

I have voted and I marked the ballot to instruct the electors to vote for McCain.

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but this time around, it will be hard to pin socialism's failures on anyone but the socialist in chief, and his evil socialist philosophy.

I hope your right, but I really worry that a repeat of FDR will happen, in which the financial collapse will get blamed for the next 8 years poor conditions, and so Capitalism will then get the blame, and Obamas socialism would be seen as trying to 'save' the nation.

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Voted Libertarian (Now now now, don't pass judgment yet). I voted for them not because I wanted them to win, but to send a message to the GOP that former Republicans are sick of socialism and religion in the party that is supposed to represent individual rights. Also, my area didn't allow a vote of "None of the above" or a write in. It's my first time voting in a general election, so it was a bit confusing, but it seemed like there was no option for either and I didn't want to leave the field blank

I refused to vote for my congressman. I know both of them from a personal and political perspective, and don't trust either of them to represent me. Voted Democrat for an election of a judge, voted Republican otherwise.

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Voted Libertarian (Now now now, don't pass judgment yet). I voted for them not because I wanted them to win, but to send a message to the GOP that former Republicans are sick of socialism and religion in the party that is supposed to represent individual rights. Also, my area didn't allow a vote of "None of the above" or a write in. It's my first time voting in a general election, so it was a bit confusing, but it seemed like there was no option for either and I didn't want to leave the field blank

I refused to vote for my congressman. I know both of them from a personal and political perspective, and don't trust either of them to represent me. Voted Democrat for an election of a judge, voted Republican otherwise.

In other words, you did nothing to stop a known Marxist getting into power, and think that ticking a few boxes on a piece of paper, communicates profound political principles to a political party as to what policies they should adopt.

Are you sure they got the message? They might think you mean the Libertarians drug policy.

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If Obama wins, it will be a day for both celebration and mourning. We can celebrate the great American culture in which a black man, a woman, any person can rise to the highest office in the country.

I disagree with this. I'll change my tune once a man is nominated--and/or elected--without regard for his race, rather than because of it. I don't think Obama qualifies, and in fact I think race has been an implicit, and in some cases explicit, subtext throughout this election season. As far as I'm concerned, it's been disgraceful.

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Voted Libertarian (Now now now, don't pass judgment yet). I voted for them not because I wanted them to win, but to send a message to the GOP that former Republicans are sick of socialism and religion in the party that is supposed to represent individual rights. Also, my area didn't allow a vote of "None of the above" or a write in. It's my first time voting in a general election, so it was a bit confusing, but it seemed like there was no option for either and I didn't want to leave the field blank

I refused to vote for my congressman. I know both of them from a personal and political perspective, and don't trust either of them to represent me. Voted Democrat for an election of a judge, voted Republican otherwise.

In other words, you did nothing to stop a known Marxist getting into power, and think that ticking a few boxes on a piece of paper, communicates profound political principles to a political party as to what policies they should adopt.

Are you sure they got the message? They might think you mean the Libertarians drug policy.

I doubt they got the message, but it won't do any harm and perhaps if enough went along in some states they DID get the message.

Voting in Republican is a vote of confidence for their religious agenda and their further alignment with socialist policies, so if you voted McCain you did nothing to stop the Republican party from careening down hill into the muck of socialism.

Obama isn't a Marxist. Have you read Marx? There is a difference between a Marxist and a hardline Liberal. Hell, there is a difference between Marxism and most forms of Communism.

Also, what is wrong with the Libertarian drug policy? Do you mean ending the war on drugs, one of the biggest wasters of our money? I'm not a Libertarian, but I fail to see what is so significantly bad about their drug policy? Every last substance on earth should be able to be used, not that I support the use of said substances.

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Election 2008 marks my 20th year since casting my first vote, and I can honestly say the candidates haven’t gotten any better.

According to all known data, Obama will win Michigan (my home state).

I chose his opponent in hopes to nullify any mandate he may receive from a largely popular vote. I too share Bill Bucko’s sentiments about the prospects of an Obama Presidency, and to not spend the rest of the evening watching or listening to election results.

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So, imagine my surprise when I am filling out the ballot and at the bottom of the presidential list there is a Stevens from the Objectivist Party.

I didn't vote for him because I had never heard of this before and had no idea, standing there in the booth, if this Objectivist Party bore any resemblance to Objectivism.

What do you guys know? This appears to be a very new thing.

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So, imagine my surprise when I am filling out the ballot and at the bottom of the presidential list there is a Stevens from the Objectivist Party.

I didn't vote for him because I had never heard of this before and had no idea, standing there in the booth, if this Objectivist Party bore any resemblance to Objectivism.

What do you guys know? This appears to be a very new thing.

It's come up here before. Do a search for "objectivist party" and variants.

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