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I doubt they got the message, but it won't do any harm and perhaps if enough went along in some states they DID get the message.

Voting in Republican is a vote of confidence for their religious agenda and their further alignment with socialist policies, so if you voted McCain you did nothing to stop the Republican party from careening down hill into the muck of socialism.

Obama isn't a Marxist. Have you read Marx? There is a difference between a Marxist and a hardline Liberal. Hell, there is a difference between Marxism and most forms of Communism.

Also, what is wrong with the Libertarian drug policy? Do you mean ending the war on drugs, one of the biggest wasters of our money? I'm not a Libertarian, but I fail to see what is so significantly bad about their drug policy? Every last substance on earth should be able to be used, not that I support the use of said substances.

Actually no, a vote sends no message at all, of confidence or of dislike. What a vote says, is which candidate is the best one to have govern you. And voting for a useless candidate or not voting at all does not change the fact that either a democrat or a republican will govern you. Choosing a third party candidate or not voting is merely stating "I will let others choose my governor for me" rather than making a judgement yourself as to which is best.

Let me tell you about the religious people, for I have travelled, observed Christianity in many countries, known some in person in varius countries, and heard many stories too.

In India and some areas of Indonesia, Christians have not had the enlightenment, they are almost as bad as Muslims in their brutality. You want to keep those away from government at all costs. In Australia and Canada, the Christians are not violent, but they are heavily socialist and anti-American. They will leave you alone personal wise, but you don't want them in government either, for they will try to do the 'gods work' through government.

American Christians are unique however. Besides Abortion and Gay Marriage, they tend to leave individuals alone, and are pro free market and believe in the seperation of church and state. (Especially in leftist areas such as Seattle where the leftist government has actively used planning laws to try to stamp out churches and their religion). They believe it is upto the individual to do good works, not government. They are fundamentally good people, not because of their Christianity, but because they have rejected the lefts nihilist code, they still hold a lot of what America was in them and lead compartmentalized lives in which a lot of the good survives in them. There are many that I would trust with my very life, even tho I am an Athiest and they know I am an explicit enemy of religion, not because they are Christian, but because they have American values and have the respect for life that it entails.

To fear those people, and support the nihilist left who actively hate America and all it stands for, is a big mistake, for it is putting the machinary of government with all its vast powers into the hands of people who would try to destroy every part of what remains of Americas greatness.

Mark my words, next year, the Fairness Doctrine will return, you will see whole new laws about hate speech and discrimination that America is not presently familiar with, but Canada and the rest of the world know all too well, get passed. And when that happens, if you get thrown in jail for your philosopher career blasphemying against the lefts protection of the religion of destruction(Islam), well I hope you feel 'safe' in there in that lonely jail from the boogeyman of religious right that so scares you and that your vote brings you comfort then.

I for one, will worry about the nihilists who will try to destroy myself, and every man of production in this world, of which Obama and the Democrats are big examples of that.

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Hey! As of 7.33 PM EST, my Fox News election tracker shows Alan Keyes with 144 votes!

Believe!

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Looks like the Republicans are on their way out. The Dems are going to get a good sweep. Let's plan for an ideological movement to replace the pragmatic Republicans with individual rights and egoism.

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Voted Libertarian (Now now now, don't pass judgment yet). I voted for them not because I wanted them to win, but to send a message to the GOP that former Republicans are sick of socialism and religion in the party that is supposed to represent individual rights. Also, my area didn't allow a vote of "None of the above" or a write in. It's my first time voting in a general election, so it was a bit confusing, but it seemed like there was no option for either and I didn't want to leave the field blank

I refused to vote for my congressman. I know both of them from a personal and political perspective, and don't trust either of them to represent me. Voted Democrat for an election of a judge, voted Republican otherwise.

In other words, you did nothing to stop a known Marxist getting into power, and think that ticking a few boxes on a piece of paper, communicates profound political principles to a political party as to what policies they should adopt.

Are you sure they got the message? They might think you mean the Libertarians drug policy.

I doubt they got the message, but it won't do any harm and perhaps if enough went along in some states they DID get the message.

Voting in Republican is a vote of confidence for their religious agenda and their further alignment with socialist policies, so if you voted McCain you did nothing to stop the Republican party from careening down hill into the muck of socialism.

Obama isn't a Marxist. Have you read Marx? There is a difference between a Marxist and a hardline Liberal. Hell, there is a difference between Marxism and most forms of Communism.

Also, what is wrong with the Libertarian drug policy? Do you mean ending the war on drugs, one of the biggest wasters of our money? I'm not a Libertarian, but I fail to see what is so significantly bad about their drug policy? Every last substance on earth should be able to be used, not that I support the use of said substances.

Ryan, can you please tell me which politician said he wanted to redistribute wealth and that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry? Which politician is going to increase taxes for the upper class to levels unheard of in American history?

There is a difference, and the fact that you fail to recognize it is not only your problem but a problem for us all because of the fact that you did not vote for McCain ^_^

When our energy bills are double what they used to be, layoffs are happening right and left and the economy is entering a recession (and I mean a real one), will you be happy that at least you sent the republican party "a message"?

If Obama wins, and when we begin to experience the terrible results, the blame will lie with all those who failed to vote against him in the only way possible, by voting for McCain.

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Can I blame all that voted Bush for the 8 worst years since the 30s?

Excuse me if I have 0 trust in the Republican party anymore.

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Can I blame all that voted Bush for the 8 worst years since the 30s?

Excuse me if I have 0 trust in the Republican party anymore.

No, but you can thank those who voted for Bush because they saved you from 4(8) even worse years from Kerry.

Just because you are bitter that the Republicans stink doesn't mean the Democrats aren't worse. Considering individuals like ewv have listed a large number of issues where there is a difference between what McCain and Obama actually do in office, there isn't much room for an excuse of failing to acknowledge the difference.

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Can I blame all that voted Bush for the 8 worst years since the 30s?

What "8 worst years?" On what basis do you make this outrageous pronouncement???!!!

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My Fox News election tracker has the popular vote less than a percentage point apart for McCain and Obama. And Keyes holding his own with 2,205 votes out of about 29,000,000 reported thus far! Woo hoo! beer.gif

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My Fox News election tracker has the popular vote less than a percentage point apart for McCain and Obama. And Keyes holding his own with 2,205 votes out of about 29,000,000 reported thus far! Woo hoo! beer.gif

Go Keyes!

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Looks like the Republicans are on their way out. The Dems are going to get a good sweep. Let's plan for an ideological movement to replace the pragmatic Republicans with individual rights and egoism.

Time to join the GOP in order to influence their choice of future candidates.

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Can I blame all that voted Bush for the 8 worst years since the 30s?

What "8 worst years?" On what basis do you make this outrageous pronouncement???!!!

Maybe that he was too young to remember FDR or LBJ or Jimmy Carter and they don't teach history any more?

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Piz Projects:

Obama wins Florida and California, which as of this post are enough additional electoral votes to push him past 270. When everything is counted, McCain will have about 190-200 electoral votes, Obama the rest. Democrats will hold a majority in both houses of Congress, but not quite filibuster-proof. The popular vote will be too close to justify an Obama claim to a mandate, but he'll claim one anyway and begin his push toward dictatorship. Apart from Congress rubber-stamping his agenda despite the occasional feeble show of resistance from the Republicans, watch the executive orders he issues once in office - they're a great way to enact "laws" without all that pesky constitutional procedure.

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By the way, I'm pleased to report that in my local congressional race, Republican incumbent Charlie Dent holds a substantial lead over his despicable opponent, whom I described earlier in this thread. If the lead holds, this will be the third election she's entered and lost (two for mayor and this one) - maybe now her local party bosses will tell her to get lost. They'll have to, because she won't stop trying to grab power until they boot her or she dies.

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Can I blame all that voted Bush for the 8 worst years since the 30s?

Excuse me if I have 0 trust in the Republican party anymore.

RationalRyan, I have to ask this, are you an actual Objectivist or just a fan of Ayn Rands fiction?

Because I see a pattern forming. You have continually been presented evidence of Obamas extreme socialist / Marxist views and you ignore it.

I see unsubstantiated arguments such as the post quoted above, with no facts to back it up, ignoring much worse ones such as the Democrats Carter or FDR, or even the Republicans Nixon with his vast price controls controlling every wage, every price in the entire economy. I have not seen Bush do anything remotely towards that scale in economic intervention.

I have in other threads asked for evidence to back up your view that McCain is equal to Obama when I present evidence(such as ewv's well researched thread that Obama is trying to take over everything with the EPA CO2) in which you do not respond with equal evidence, you simply state without evidence that McCain is just as bad or worse, with nothing to back up your claims.

Are you so blinded by hate for Republicans and Bush that you can no longer differentiate between the parties and their positions, and just react like an answering machine with "Republicans bad" no matter what anyone says?

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Looks like the Republicans are on their way out. The Dems are going to get a good sweep. Let's plan for an ideological movement to replace the pragmatic Republicans with individual rights and egoism.

Time to join the GOP in order to influence their choice of future candidates.

That's the main reason I've always been a Republican. The Dems have never had a primary contest, local or national, that I wanted any of their candidates to win.

My other reason has been that sometimes, as in the days of the Metropolitan Young Republicans in NYC, we have been able to get the Republicans to support and/or finance Objectivist candidates and issues.

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KeyesWatch: 3,638 out of 73,000,000.

He's pacing himself, preparing for a blazing finish!

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Obama just declared winner by Fox News.

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KeyesWatch: 3,638 out of 73,000,000.

He's pacing himself, preparing for a blazing finish!

Yes, we mustn't forget the wise words of the childrens story the rabbit and the hare.

When the other candidates think they have won and are resting in their victory, Keyes will keep plodding vote by vote over the finish line and take the presidency!

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KeyesWatch: 3,638 out of 73,000,000.

He's pacing himself, preparing for a blazing finish!

Yes, we mustn't forget the wise words of the childrens story the rabbit and the hare.

When the other candidates think they have won and are resting in their victory, Keyes will keep plodding vote by vote over the finish line and take the presidency!

Ooooops, I mean "the tortoise and the hare". Teaches me for posting far too quickly. ^_^

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Hope Change is here.

Everyone just hold your breath for 4 years...And your money.

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Obama just declared winner by Fox News.

Like I said in the opening post of this thread: Holy cr*p, is this gonna s*ck.

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Obama just declared winner by Fox News.

Are the votes actually finished being counted? Have the electorial votes actually been cast?

If not...

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This could be good news. Think of it this way, the media has lied to us about who Obama is for about two years straight. If Obama tries to implement his agenda there is a good chance people will be shocked by what he wants to do and if that happens there could be a revolt. Furthermore, Obama is not a capitalist, and so if he ruins the economy even more it will be on the heads of the leftists where it belongs. Another neat thing is that the religious right has been rejected. Isn't it great to finally get rid of them?

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...Everyone just hold your breath for 4 years...And your money.
The first would be fatal, the second will be illegal.

It certainly was a waking nightmare -- he didn't disappoint: Sacrifice, the "end" of Capitalism, retreat from the mideast, concern with the world's opinion, unionization, new entitlements, attacks on business, it was all there. The glowing, vacant faces chanted "yes, we can" in mindless response to the preacher's constant repetition. Yes, the Christian Right is dead, long live the Christian Left. (I hope not).

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