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Not at all. Any criticism of the President and his policies will be dismissed as "racism*" and the Democratic majority will be very busy writing laws to outlaw such "hate speech."

Finally, someone who gets it! Most posters on Objectivist forums still seem to be in denial regarding what the nature of an Obama administration will be like. All they seem to think he'll do is raise some taxes. I think we should speak out, but I don't expect our new leaders to just look on and tolerate such speech, as if we had a right to it or something.

I understand what he'll try to do. This is why I think there could be a revolt against him. You can't control the American people.

Btw, one of the most bizarre and under reported things he wants to do is create a civilian force just as large and just as powerful as the U.S. military. To even justify such a notion should require a at least a good solid chapter in a book and probably a book, but we got nothing but a short sound bite and he repeated it recently, so it's on his agenda. Why the lack of curiosity over this? I didn't even hear Rush Limbaugh mention it.

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Btw, one of the most bizarre and under reported things he wants to do is create a civilian force just as large and just as powerful as the U.S. military.

It was not under-reported on THE FORUM (link) and on Little Green Footballs (link).

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Well, on the bright side people are going to have a tough time playing the race card with a black President.

That's right. This is what has miffed some of the radicals. How are they going to plead victim-hood in order to extract privileges from 'whites', when it is shown that there are no limits to how far blacks can go.

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Btw, one of the most bizarre and under reported things he wants to do is create a civilian force just as large and just as powerful as the U.S. military.

It was not under-reported on THE FORUM (link) and on Little Green Footballs (link).

Yes, I know. In fact, you may remember I posted on it here a couple of months ago. But, when I say under reported I'm talking about in the msm, or on something like Rush Limbaugh's show.

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I was shocked to read on Little Green Footballs:

Barack Hussein Obama is the next President of the United States, and we extend our sincere congratulations.

Country first.

NO!

If you respect your country, it's imperative that you NOT respect the slimy politician who's out to kill it!

If a man bribes a judge to get a favorable verdict, does that man deserve respect? NO! He's a CRIMINAL who's corrupted the government!

If a man bribes someone to vote for him, promising to pay him (out of someone else's pocket, yet), does that man deserve respect? NO! He's a CRIMINAL!

Yet that's precisely what the Obamessiah has done. He deserves absolutely NO RESPECT! Not now, not ever! He was, is and will remain a LIAR, a FRAUD and a LOOTER!

Nor has he suddenly acquired respect for human life, by virtue of the number of fools he's tricked into voting for him. The policeman his Weather Underground friends killed with a pipe bomb remains DEAD. So do the two security guards they gunned down. DEAD. NOTHING can compensate for that. Or redeem Obama's irredeemable evil.

The bastard threatens to crackdown on free speech, plunder our towns, loot or bankrupt our industries, betray our friends, appease our enemies, rob and dishonor the industrialists and doctors who keep us alive, give untold billions of our dollars to the dictators and terrorists in the U.N. so they can KILL and ENSLAVE some MORE, indoctrinate and corrupt our children ... how does any of that deserve respect? As I've said before, he is more evil than Jeffrey Dahmer. He isn't trying to kill just a few people -- he's trying to cripple, enslave and kill a free country!

NO RESPECT ... EVER!

Whenever the bastard gives speeches, let him be hounded by demonstrators who brand him what he is: a liar, a thief, a socialist, a terrorist-friendly monster! Whenever he offers to answer questions, let someone ask him: "Why should anyone respect you? Your friendship with killers, both here and abroad, proves you don't respect human life!"

THERE CAN BE NO COMPROMISE ABOUT THE EVIL OF EVIL.

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Absolutely. Obama needs to be exposed, not respected.

Ann Coulter says in her latest column: "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." I have always loved her sense of humor, but one has to realize that there is a huge difference between telling the truth about a traitor and appealing to people's reason to condemn him, and the mindless, emotionalist slander that the Left engaged in during the last four years.

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Ann Coulter says in her latest column: "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president."

At a time where we're at war, no less!

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Bill, I absolutely agree with your assessment of that &*&*&* Obama.

He is making philosophical war on America!

To paraphrase FDR: Since November 4, 2008 a state of philosophical war has existed between The United States,

and Barack Hussein Obama and his allies.

That is why, as I stated in an earlier post, I have a Gadsden Flag flying from my front porch.

That is the flag with a coiled rattlesnake and the logo "DON'T TREAD ON ME"

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one has to realize that there is a huge difference between telling the truth about a traitor and appealing to people's reason to condemn him, and the mindless, emotionalist slander that the Left engaged in during the last four years.

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I appreciate your differentiation between simply stating the truth and "appealing to people's reason." There is not enough well-thought-out discussion/presentation of the truth. It's a struggle because our culture's appetite for, and tolerance of, sound (sometimes lengthy) argument is waning. Even when I support the ideas presented, I often find it difficult to hang with a lengthy presentation. I'm open to suggestions and I want to be part of the solution.

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According to Fox News, blacks voted for Obama 92 - 8; whites 45 - 55. I think they also said that Hispanics (not sure if they are considered white) voted 75-25 for Obama.

So the race card is not over, yet.

But blacks have similar splits in previous elections along GOP and Dem lines, regardless of the Dem candidate's race. Also, notice the very poor showing of Alan Keyes. The split is primarily ideological.

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There is not enough well-thought-out discussion/presentation of the truth. It's a struggle because our culture's appetite for, and tolerance of, sound (sometimes lengthy) argument is waning. Even when I support the ideas presented, I often find it difficult to hang with a lengthy presentation. I'm open to suggestions and I want to be part of the solution.

Always focus on essentials. That's a learned skill I teach in my writing classes using two exercises:

  1. One Sentencing
    Summarize everything you want to say in one simple sentence. This sounds easy, yet it is incredibly difficult though it gets easier the more you do it.
  2. Editing
    Take what you have written and cut its length in half without deleting any content by seeking simpler formulations and omitting redundancies, unnecessary words and phrases, long words where short words will do, etc. The result will be more powerful and persuasive and you will discover and automatize good writing methods.

(How's that for a non-lengthy presentation?)

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Also, notice the very poor showing of Alan Keyes. The split is primarily ideological.

LOL! If I had any remaining doubts that I'd picked up even subconscious racism from my very racist (though quiet about it) parents, they've just been erased. Until I read Ed's post, and then went looking for a picture to confirm I understood Ed correctly, I had no idea that Keyes was black. My non-support of him was due to his ideas.

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  1. Editing
    Take what you have written and cut its length in half without deleting any content by seeking simpler formulations and omitting redundancies, unnecessary words and phrases, long words where short words will do, etc. The result will be more powerful and persuasive and you will discover and automatize good writing methods.

This one I've always practiced. Nearly everything I end up posting starts out twice as long as the finished product. That's stuck with me ever since I heard a poet who spoke to one of my high-school literature classes; his refrain was cut, reduce, and rephrase using clearer and more decriptive (and for poetry more evocative) language.

The first one, about summarizing in an single sentence, I need to work on. It was recently echoed (in a slightly different way) in a post on a blog I subscribe to about how to be a better blogger: write your headline first. A good headline, or a good single-sentence summary, provides focus. I got similar advice in a seminar I attended on job hunting - always have solid 10- and 30-second pitches ready to use in networking opportunities. There was also a blog post just this morning on The Charlotte Capitalist showing the use of principles, which are generally succinctly stated, as a base in conversation and debate, also as a means to focus your message.

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Bill is absolutely right. Obama's promises of welfare and handouts reminds me of the donativum of the Roman emperors.

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Always focus on essentials. That's a learned skill I teach in my writing classes using two exercises:

Not only does this help to communicate ideas effectively, but it is also great for self-correction. If you are unable to identify the essentials of your argument, that indicates it may be "floating" or you have conflicting premises.

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But blacks have similar splits in previous elections along GOP and Dem lines, regardless of the Dem candidate's race. Also, notice the very poor showing of Alan Keyes. The split is primarily ideological.

But Alan Keyes isn't black, he's a Republican!

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When America has not crumbled in four years because of Obama's "tyrannical rule", I'll smile and think of some of you guys who make Obama out to be history's greatest monster.

Oi Vey.

I hope Obama is given the correct guidance in how to run a country. It isn't just the president that makes policy-decisions and despite already lack-luster picks, I won't wish ill on him. He is the leader of the country I love and to simply desire his failure is not something any rational individual should hope for.

Of course we must oppose his promised government expansions. We have to make sure he does not expand medicare further, unlike our last president. We have to make sure any strike at free speech is met with the harshest criticisms. We cannot allow Obama to use the FCC and other government agencies to regulate our speech. We have to continue the fight against Islamism, and we can't let Obama blind himself to the threats that face it. He is already getting his CIA briefings, and we must demand he act consistently with American self defense unlike Bush.

Is freedom at stake under Obama? Of course. Freedom was at great risk under Bush, and we lost a substantial amount of it, along with money. WIth the current system of government we have, we'll always be facing threats but we can't tear down the Executive branch, but offer our intellectual support...That means by being critical of every move Obama makes politically, by praising any furthering of individual rights (Signing the Free Choice Act into law) and condemning a limiting of them (Net neutrality, expansion of the welfare state).

Sorry folks, but no one pays attention to the screamers. They pay attention to the doers. The Liberals were marginalized during the first Bush term, mostly because they offered shallow criticisms ended with "And that's why I HATE THE PRESIDENT AND HE'S A NAZI". Let's not revert to that.

Wish ill of his socialist policies, but don't wish ill of him.

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Sorry folks, but no one pays attention to the screamers. They pay attention to the doers. The Liberals were marginalized during the first Bush term, mostly because they offered shallow criticisms ended with "And that's why I HATE THE PRESIDENT AND HE'S A NAZI". Let's not revert to that.

Wish ill of his socialist policies, but don't wish ill of him.

So where is the evidence that I have now repeatedly asked you multiple times across the forum to provide for the arguments that you have made?

Let me give you a hint, you say that people pay attention to doers, well doers persuade others with evidence which you are yet to provide.

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When America has not crumbled in four years because of Obama's "tyrannical rule", I'll smile and think of some of you guys who make Obama out to be history's greatest monster.

Oi Vey.

I don't think anyone here has said that America as we know it will end with this Presidency. What we have done is point out legitimate concerns about what he could do that would be very bad for America.

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...praising any furthering of individual rights (Signing the Free Choice Act into law)...

Forcing unionization votes not to be secret is furthering of individual rights? What happens when someone is subjected to harassment and intimidation because of what's on their ballot, which they are legally forced to sign? How many are then going to vote against the harassers and intimidators?

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Wish ill of his socialist policies, but don't wish ill of him.

I'm not sure what this means, really. Do you mean, wish ill of Obama personally, as in hoping that he suffers some kind of physical harm? Certainly, nobody in this thread--nor, I dare say, on this forum--would wish Obama physical harm. He is, after all, the American President, and our electoral process remains "fair" enough that he was legitimately elected to office no matter how perverted the office itself has become (although some might argue that even this position is suspect).

However, it seems entirely appropriate to say that we wish him ill in terms of his effectiveness as President in stripping us of what few rights we have remaining to us. In that respect, one can't separate Obama the man from his socialist policies, and I hope that both fail miserably. My only hope is that in failing, his Leftist ideology is revealed for what it really is and that this revelation sets the stage for a new Renaissance.

Regarding the rest of your post, I disagree that anyone's calling him "history's greatest monster." Certainly, his stature is raised by virtue of his being elected as President of the United States--he may not be as bad as Chavez, but then again he's not the leader of a tinpot dictatorship and he shouldn't be judged as one.

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When America has not crumbled in four years because of Obama's "tyrannical rule", I'll smile and think of some of you guys who make Obama out to be history's greatest monster.

Oi Vey.

I don't think anyone here has said that America as we know it will end with this Presidency. What we have done is point out legitimate concerns about what he could do that would be very bad for America.

I think some people, namely Bill Bucko have been acting like sensationalists. Posts in bold, caps lock on half the time, statements about how Obama is going to destroy America and deserves not a single iota of respect seem fine for typical conservative talk radio boards, but I think it's a bit much on a serious discussion board. Of course he is entitled to his opinion, but it strikes me as that of an alarmist. The fact that many totally agreed with the post spurred my comments.

At Piz.

Piz, my mistake! I did not mean the free choice act. My brain must be clustered.

The name has now left my mind, but it's the bill in congress that would make abortion legal even if SCOTUS overturned Roe V. Wade. Free Choice something, I believe. I can't believe my absent mindedness there. Sorry.

I wish Obama ill in his effectiveness as an ideological Leftist, but I wish only the best for him, for guidance away from those positions. I wish I could clarify this point better, but it is difficult to find the words.

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Piz, my mistake! I did not mean the free choice act. My brain must be clustered.

The name has now left my mind, but it's the bill in congress that would make abortion legal even if SCOTUS overturned Roe V. Wade. Free Choice something, I believe. I can't believe my absent mindedness there. Sorry.

Ah, that's different then. ^_^ This is the first I've heard of this bill. Sounds like I could get behind that one.

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