> femininity vs heroine worship, why can’t the essence of masculinity be

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Bill Bucko posted a must-read description of meeting AR; he then added a question;

QUOTE(Bill Bucko @ Feb 11 2005, 08:18 PM)
During the question and answer period a diffident young woman respectfully questioned Miss Rand’s views on femininity.* Miss Rand nodded gently, acknowledging that the issue was not self-evident, and politely recommended, “Well ... think about it.”

..... She didn’t look like a world famous writer. She was as natural and unpretentious as could be, and seemed innocently, almost childishly happy to be meeting people who loved her books.

An earnest young man reached her side, and uttered some solemn words of thanks. She listened quietly, then nodded her head in acknowledgment when he was done. As far as I could guess, though, she seemed more comfortable with the more casual attitude of the majority of her fans, whose mood I think I could sum up as: “Hurray! Isn’t it fun that we get to meet each other? (And please could you autograph this for me, as a souvenir?)”

After a while the manager came and told Miss Rand it was time to close the building. “Oh, couldn’t we stay just a little while longer?” she smiled up at him, and he relented.

.... overheard her plans for the rest of the evening: she was going to ride back to New York on the Greyhound Bus, with her beloved husband Frank O’Connor at her side.
....we saw a warm, friendly, youthful old woman, with the innocence of a young girl. We saw a person who was delighted to see us, apparently at peace with herself and deeply happy.
....
Copyright © 1992 by Bill Bucko

* Rightfully so, I think. I believe Miss Rand’s unique psychological situation—knowing herself to be at the top of the “pyramid of ability,” having no one above her—coupled with her passionate need to look up and admire—may have led her mistakenly (though understandably) to elevate the status of men above women (in the limited respect in which she did do so). But if “the essence of femininity is hero worship,” as Miss Rand said, why can’t the essence of masculinity be ... heroine worship?
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Bill, are you out there? do you still have the question? does anyone else?

I did think about this a lot, and came to the conclusion, yet again; AR was right.
wub.gif I'd be happy to share thoughts if currently people have this question.
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- ElizabethLee   femininity vs heroine worship   Nov 6 2005, 11:32 PM
- - ElizabethLee   p.s. I included so much of the post because femini...   Nov 6 2005, 11:33 PM
- - ElizabethLee   this too; QUOTE(Bill Bucko @ Feb 12 2005, 10...   Nov 6 2005, 11:41 PM
- - Free Capitalist   I'd love to hear what you have to say, Elizabe...   Nov 7 2005, 12:56 AM
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|- - ElizabethLee   I found a 55-replies, 3k-viewed thread here, that...   Nov 7 2005, 02:31 AM
|- - Betsy Speicher   I didn't say anything on the "fantasies...   Nov 7 2005, 05:46 AM
|- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 7 2005, 01:46 AM)H...   Nov 7 2005, 01:46 PM
||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 7 2005, 06:46 AM)I...   Nov 7 2005, 02:51 PM
|||- - ElizabethLee   hi Betsy & Steve! in reading the back -pos...   Nov 8 2005, 01:45 AM
|||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 7 2005, 06:45 PM)So,...   Nov 8 2005, 05:57 AM
|||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 8 2005, 01:57 AM)I...   Nov 8 2005, 02:20 PM
|||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 8 2005, 07:20 AM) Ca...   Nov 8 2005, 04:04 PM
||- - Ed from OC   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 7 2005, 05:46 AM)I r...   Nov 7 2005, 04:37 PM
|||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(Ed from OC @ Nov 7 2005, 12:37 PM)FYI, ...   Nov 8 2005, 01:41 AM
||- - Stephen Speicher   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 7 2005, 05:46 AM)Per...   Nov 7 2005, 04:44 PM
|- - B. Royce   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 7 2005, 05:46 AM)I...   Nov 7 2005, 02:46 PM
||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(B. Royce @ Nov 7 2005, 07:46 AM)When yo...   Nov 7 2005, 03:20 PM
|||- - Michelle F. Cohen   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 7 2005, 11:20 AM)I...   Nov 7 2005, 03:50 PM
|||- - ASelameab   My question would be, is masculinity exclusive to ...   Nov 7 2005, 04:27 PM
|||- - ElizabethLee   hi Coire & A! Have you both read Betsy...   Nov 8 2005, 02:09 AM
|||- - SarahHintz   QUOTE (Amse @ Nov 7 2005, 11:27 AM)Another qu...   Nov 8 2005, 02:52 AM
||||- - ASelameab   QUOTE(SarahHintz @ Nov 7 2005, 08:52 PM)Accor...   Nov 8 2005, 04:04 AM
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|||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE (Amse @ Nov 7 2005, 09:27 AM)But is fem...   Nov 8 2005, 05:36 AM
|||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 8 2005, 01:36 AM)I...   Nov 8 2005, 02:40 PM
|||- - ElizabethLee   re the feeling of surrender; []I want to post mor...   Nov 8 2005, 02:46 PM
|||- - ElizabethLee   I forgot to say: for me, the "out of control...   Nov 8 2005, 02:48 PM
||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(B. Royce @ Nov 7 2005, 10:46 AM) won...   Nov 8 2005, 01:47 AM
|- - CoireFox   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 7 2005, 12:46 AM) ...   Nov 7 2005, 08:05 PM
||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(CoireFox @ Nov 7 2005, 01:05 PM)Would y...   Nov 8 2005, 05:42 AM
||- - Alex_Silverman   QUOTE(Betsy Speicher @ Nov 8 2005, 12:42 AM)I...   Nov 8 2005, 05:59 AM
||- - Carlos E. Jordan   QUOTE(ADS @ Nov 8 2005, 12:59 AM)Why not?  I...   Nov 8 2005, 09:00 AM
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|||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(dondigitalia @ Nov 8 2005, 05:52 AM)[re...   Nov 8 2005, 02:15 PM
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|||- - dondigitalia   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 8 2005, 09:23 AM)rea...   Nov 8 2005, 07:53 PM
||- - Michael Jenkinson   QUOTE(ADS @ Nov 8 2005, 03:59 PM)Why not?  I...   Nov 8 2005, 05:32 PM
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|- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE (Amse @ Nov 7 2005, 12:18 AM)Is your qu...   Nov 7 2005, 01:37 PM
|- - ASelameab   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 7 2005, 07:37 AM)Hi ...   Nov 7 2005, 04:31 PM
|- - ASelameab   Also, could anyone talk about the roles of masculi...   Nov 7 2005, 04:33 PM
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|- - CoireFox   QUOTE(poojagupta @ Nov 8 2005, 01:07 AM)But w...   Nov 8 2005, 08:06 AM
||- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(CoireFox @ Nov 8 2005, 04:06 AM)What do...   Nov 8 2005, 02:26 PM
|||- - Carlos E. Jordan   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 8 2005, 09:26 AM)Not...   Nov 8 2005, 07:28 PM
|||- - CoireFox   QUOTE(elizabethlee @ Nov 8 2005, 09:26 AM) A ...   Nov 8 2005, 10:00 PM
||||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(CoireFox @ Nov 8 2005, 03:00 PM)This do...   Nov 9 2005, 03:37 PM
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||- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE(CoireFox @ Nov 8 2005, 03:28 PM)In the ...   Nov 9 2005, 03:45 PM
|- - ElizabethLee   QUOTE(poojagupta @ Nov 8 2005, 02:07 AM) a wo...   Nov 8 2005, 02:17 PM
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|- - Free Capitalist   QUOTE(ADS @ Nov 8 2005, 03:34 PM)I could ask ...   Nov 8 2005, 08:28 PM
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|- - ASelameab   QUOTE(free spirit @ Nov 8 2005, 08:53 PM)This...   Nov 9 2005, 03:49 AM
|- - Stephen Speicher   QUOTE (Amse @ Nov 8 2005, 07:49 PM)This is an...   Nov 9 2005, 05:03 AM
|- - Betsy Speicher   QUOTE (Amse @ Nov 8 2005, 08:49 PM)This is an...   Nov 9 2005, 04:07 PM
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